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Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Your last statement makes no sense. I already started with the man in the mirror. That man is arthritis-free since day 20 of a water fast 6 years ago. That man plays soccer every weekend, after not being able to for many years. I made my own world a better place. Friends and loved ones who listened to my real-life non-troll opinion are better off today. Every single one. A coworker who dismissed it 2 years ago came a…

Me? I don't actually enjoy this Then you are free to stop, no? I have one and only one person listening to what I have to say about my condition and getting better. I was you a few years ago. I have been doing this 17 years, not 6. Anyway. Probably just wasting your time and mine both. Ciao.

I'm curious if you don't mind sharing, how long was your longest water fast?

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Me? I don't actually enjoy this Then you are free to stop, no? I have one and only one person listening to what I have to say about my condition and getting better. I was you a few years ago. I have been doing this 17 years, not 6. Anyway. Probably just wasting your time and mine both. Ciao.

I'm curious if you don't mind sharing, how long was your longest water fast?

I do mind sharing. You clearly have an agenda. You are desperate for validation. You found a thing that works for you, you want to think it will work for everyone and ... Sigh. I have barely engaged you and I feel tired.

Think on this: I am a potential ally, doing similar things. You are actively picking a fight with me and driving me away.

Ask yourself: Why is that?

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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I'm curious if you don't mind sharing, how long was your longest water fast?

I do mind sharing. You clearly have an agenda. You are desperate for validation. You found a thing that works for you, you want to think it will work for everyone and ... Sigh. I have barely engaged you and I feel tired. Think on this: I am a potential ally, doing similar things. You are actively picking a fight with me and driving me away. Ask yourself: Why is that?

No one is picking a fight with you. You come across as very paranoid.

Again, you are very biased towards conventional medicine. If someone on an online forum spoke highly in favor of a new radiation therapy they underwent for some cancer, everyone would be cheering them and thanking them for the insight. No one would shut them down saying - "oh, that is anecdotal" -- "this worked for you, don't preach it as an end all be all" -- "so radiation is the new cult??".

Classic.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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I do mind sharing. You clearly have an agenda. You are desperate for validation. You found a thing that works for you, you want to think it will work for everyone and ... Sigh. I have barely engaged you and I feel tired. Think on this: I am a potential ally, doing similar things. You are actively picking a fight with me and driving me away. Ask yourself: Why is that?

No one is picking a fight with you. You come across as very paranoid. Again, you are very biased towards conventional medicine. If someone on an online forum spoke highly in favor of a new radiation therapy they underwent for some cancer, everyone would be cheering them and thanking them for the insight. No one would shut them down saying - "oh, that is anecdotal" -- "this worked for you, don't preach it as an end al…

Again, you are very biased towards conventional medicine.

No, I am not. This statement is evidence you haven't listened to anything I have said.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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This is what I was responding to: > Do you think all weight spikes simply equate to having CHF? You can't just rely on such a basic measurement when dealing with an incredibly complex system such as the human body. Considering you were knowingly addressing someone who worked in the space and blew right past something you obviously knew within seconds (not all weight spikes equate to CHF), thinking there was even a re…

You would think OP would know that, but the original comment basically tells us all to measure our weight simply to check for CHF. If it were that simple we'd all do it I presume, but of course weight change can be a range of things. Many of which are not problematic. Hence why I pointed out that better measurement devices are needed. I've also got a feeling that it may just be you in particular that 'IT' don't like…

OP said that CHF always causes sudden weight gain; they never said that sudden weight gain always indicates CHF. You're the only person here who implied that.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Interesting you bring up heart failure readmissions. Not saying they aren't a problem, but here is a fascinating study in JAMA that argues that places with lower readmissions have higher (worse) mortality. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/article-abst... Not sure we (I'm a physician) understand even what the problems we need technology to solve are. But yes, we need technology to help (find and) solve…

Why do we need technology to help improve lives when so many diseases (type 2 diabetes, Crohn's, IBS, high blood pressure, arthritis, and dozens of others) can already be reversed and prevented by simply changing a person's diet and lifestyle habits? It's really quite insane that people would rather take pills for the rest of their lives to treat symptoms of a disease than actually getting rid of it altogether by giv…

You broke the site guidelines by taking this thread into a flamewar and grossly overposting. We're trying for quality, not quantity, in discussion here—you went far in the other direction. You also broke the HN guidelines in other ways, like personal attacks and going on about comment voting.

All of this is really bad. Please don't abuse the site like this again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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post #183

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I do mind sharing. You clearly have an agenda. You are desperate for validation. You found a thing that works for you, you want to think it will work for everyone and ... Sigh. I have barely engaged you and I feel tired. Think on this: I am a potential ally, doing similar things. You are actively picking a fight with me and driving me away. Ask yourself: Why is that?

No one is picking a fight with you. You come across as very paranoid. Again, you are very biased towards conventional medicine. If someone on an online forum spoke highly in favor of a new radiation therapy they underwent for some cancer, everyone would be cheering them and thanking them for the insight. No one would shut them down saying - "oh, that is anecdotal" -- "this worked for you, don't preach it as an end al…

As somebody who has been commenting about non-conventional health practices on HN for at least 6 years, and who has often paid close attention to Michele's comments on health topics, I can assure you that you're very wrong about her alleged bias toward conventional medicine, wrong to dismiss her suggestions on how to improve your style of communication, and wrong to display such an attitude about this or any other topic on HN.

I understand the inclination to see big-pharma profiteering as an all-purpose explanation for the state of mainstream health beliefs and practices, and to be exasperated that more people don't open their minds and embrace the natural remedies that you and I might have found effective. I've felt the same way for much of 10+ years I've been on my own journey.

But I've learned that there are very valid, important reasons for people to be cautious about fringe health practices and wary of the motives of those evangelizing them, so the onus is on us to respectful, patient, modest and prudent in the recommendations we make and the way we go about attempting to convince people of their merits.

I've also come to learn that the need to evangelize on such practices is often more closely linked to a need to convince one's self of their efficacy, than to a sincere intent to do good by others. I've found that the more effective my own healing practices have actually turned out to be, and the more content I've become with my own health and life progress, the less I need to evangelize them to others. I think the same trend is evident in Michele's comments here on HN.

None of this means we shouldn't try to help people where appropriate. But the way we go about trying to help people makes every bit of difference.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Interesting you bring up heart failure readmissions. Not saying they aren't a problem, but here is a fascinating study in JAMA that argues that places with lower readmissions have higher (worse) mortality. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/article-abst... Not sure we (I'm a physician) understand even what the problems we need technology to solve are. But yes, we need technology to help (find and) solve…

Why do we need technology to help improve lives when so many diseases (type 2 diabetes, Crohn's, IBS, high blood pressure, arthritis, and dozens of others) can already be reversed and prevented by simply changing a person's diet and lifestyle habits? It's really quite insane that people would rather take pills for the rest of their lives to treat symptoms of a disease than actually getting rid of it altogether by giv…

Well you can do both. There are apps to improve food habits as well as the other stuff.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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I am all for it if someone can make the doctors use emails instead of faxes.

The problem is that we don't have a key server for doctors. I really wish someone would lobby the HHS to provide a key server that maps to providers' NPI. Then setting up PGP for email can be streamlined.

As it stands now, everything is fragmented because companies want to lock practitioners and health care orgs in. I'd love to see them start issuing "HIPAA compliant" seals for the implementation of open and secure standards that make it easier for health care systems to communicate and transfer data easily. That way all these closed solutions will have an incentive to actually make communication between practitioners easy and secure.

The biggest joke is secure messaging. There are all these apps for secure messaging between practitioners. Of course, you have to be using the same app to open a communication channel. I know at least one of these companies is using XMPP on their backend, so it's likely others are as well. They are literally using open source solutions to make a problem that the open source solution was supposed to solve! There's no reason why $SecureMessenger can not communicate with $MessageSecure. They just don't want that to happen because they think it will cause them to lose business.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Exactly, and it's not an irrational decision either. There's a gap in the medical system. It's really really difficult to get people to change their behavior. It requires a completely different skill set from curing, preventing, or ameliorating clinical disease. Trying to get doctors do it is quite frankly a waste of everyone's time.

This dude posted up thread that Crohn’s can be cured by a 2 week water fast, so I don’t think he’s on the same page as you.

His views sound a little more extreme (and seem to ascribe malicious intent to what I would label as systemic biases), but I think there's a lot of truth in the principles behind what he says. It's accepted today to dismiss anything that hasn't been scientifically proven, which ironically does a disservice to science. I think if you asked most true experts in the field doing cutting edge research, they'd be the first to admit that they don't know if fasting could cure some cases of Crohn's.
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