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Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Post by aviv »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #169
aviv wrote: post #143

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I don't, funny thing is I see it exactly the opposite, the traditional medical treatment and attitude towards alternative options is preventing those with serious disease from following through. 2 weeks is the minimum I've seen. Some need up to 30 and in rare, advanced cases even 40 days of fasting.

You come across very badly. Just based on how you engage, I was ready to shoot you down and I have pursued dietary and lifestyle changes for many years to manage my incurable condition. I also have recently concluded that fasting is beneficial for my condition, which flies in the face of everything I ever understood to be true. A few thoughts: 1) Try to not overgeneralise. Even if you really know of people who were c…

Thanks for your feedback. As I said elsewhere in this thread, my presentation does appear a bit harsh when done in a comment section such as this one vs. how I am in real life.

I don't know if it makes sense to change it. It may seem counter intuitive, however it's been my experience that the harsh tone and somewhat trolling-like language IS what sparks some people to PM me and make initial contact, or at least open a new tab and start googling.

I used to not be like this online, and I definitely see better response from my current style. (better in the sense that I think it results in more people taking it upon themselves to research this further). Yes, it has its drawbacks and my responses are usually at the bottom of any health-related thread on HN, but even this thread already got a few people to find my email (it's not hard) and send a quick note.

The downvotes here and general negativity towards fasting does not paint the real picture. There are many silent voices out there who will not engage here fearing backlash from other users or even employers or potential customers.

I'm always happy to and offer to jump on the phone with anyone who wants to talk and hear from a live anecdote or just be pointed in the right direction research-wise.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

#172

Post by draw_down »

grwthckrmstr wrote: post #137
nikanj wrote: post #59

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EPIC and Cerner are doing their best to, simultaneously: 1) Appear to be open, ready for innovation and playing fair (so hospitals don't replace them) 2) Maintain their position as gatekeepers, and use that position to extract as much revenue as possible. New startup wants to deploy tech at your hospital? Hospital probably will end up paying more to Cerner for the integration, than the new tech.

Sounds EXACTLY like an industry ripe for disruption

People have been saying that for a long time.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

#173

Post by DoreenMichele »

aviv wrote: post #171
DoreenMichele wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You come across very badly. Just based on how you engage, I was ready to shoot you down and I have pursued dietary and lifestyle changes for many years to manage my incurable condition. I also have recently concluded that fasting is beneficial for my condition, which flies in the face of everything I ever understood to be true. A few thoughts: 1) Try to not overgeneralise. Even if you really know of people who were c…

Thanks for your feedback. As I said elsewhere in this thread, my presentation does appear a bit harsh when done in a comment section such as this one vs. how I am in real life. I don't know if it makes sense to change it. It may seem counter intuitive, however it's been my experience that the harsh tone and somewhat trolling-like language IS what sparks some people to PM me and make initial contact, or at least open…

Getting rate limited or banned may not serve your goal too well.

And one would do well to set their ego aside and try to first do no harm. Getting converts to your fasting religion may feel like a rush, but you may wind up harming someone. It does not sound to me like you really want to look at the possibility that your cure may not be all that and a bag of chips, which just sets off alarm bells for me.

I am a potential ally. I have done similar things. You choose to not engage those facts while justifying your admittedly trollish behavior. I don't think this speaks well of your motives.

If you want to make the world a better place, the best place to start is with the man in the mirror.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Post by aviv »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #173
aviv wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your feedback. As I said elsewhere in this thread, my presentation does appear a bit harsh when done in a comment section such as this one vs. how I am in real life. I don't know if it makes sense to change it. It may seem counter intuitive, however it's been my experience that the harsh tone and somewhat trolling-like language IS what sparks some people to PM me and make initial contact, or at least open…

Getting rate limited or banned may not serve your goal too well. And one would do well to set their ego aside and try to first do no harm. Getting converts to your fasting religion may feel like a rush, but you may wind up harming someone. It does not sound to me like you really want to look at the possibility that your cure may not be all that and a bag of chips , which just sets off alarm bells for me. I am a poten…

It's not about getting converts. That's the first problem here - that getting someone interested in a water fast as remedy to a disease is considered "cultish", some crazy conspiracy or religion. Seriously, have the pharmaceutical companies infected our minds this badly? That radiation seems normal and applauded as a great suggestion, but a water fast, simply the act of just resting and not eating.. is.. dangerous or some wild crazy tinfoil hat idea?

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Post by aviv »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #173
aviv wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your feedback. As I said elsewhere in this thread, my presentation does appear a bit harsh when done in a comment section such as this one vs. how I am in real life. I don't know if it makes sense to change it. It may seem counter intuitive, however it's been my experience that the harsh tone and somewhat trolling-like language IS what sparks some people to PM me and make initial contact, or at least open…

Getting rate limited or banned may not serve your goal too well. And one would do well to set their ego aside and try to first do no harm. Getting converts to your fasting religion may feel like a rush, but you may wind up harming someone. It does not sound to me like you really want to look at the possibility that your cure may not be all that and a bag of chips , which just sets off alarm bells for me. I am a poten…

Your last statement makes no sense. I already started with the man in the mirror. That man is arthritis-free since day 20 of a water fast 6 years ago. That man plays soccer every weekend, after not being able to for many years.

I made my own world a better place. Friends and loved ones who listened to my real-life non-troll opinion are better off today. Every single one. A coworker who dismissed it 2 years ago came around a few months ago and said he's no longer diabetic. Nope - the doctors did not find a special pill just for him. No new injection discovered. He checked himself in to a fasting clinic and walked out a new man.

I'll consider toning it down in the future. It will still be downvoted and the only difference will be less discussion, which will result in less attention from those who need it most. Me? I don't actually enjoy this. I spent a couple hours refreshing HN today just for this when I could have been doing something else. I choose what threads to comment on very carefully because I know HN is very science-oriented, but people will die waiting for the pharma companies to admit this.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

#176

Post by DoreenMichele »

aviv wrote: post #174
DoreenMichele wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting rate limited or banned may not serve your goal too well. And one would do well to set their ego aside and try to first do no harm. Getting converts to your fasting religion may feel like a rush, but you may wind up harming someone. It does not sound to me like you really want to look at the possibility that your cure may not be all that and a bag of chips , which just sets off alarm bells for me. I am a poten…

It's not about getting converts. That's the first problem here - that getting someone interested in a water fast as remedy to a disease is considered "cultish", some crazy conspiracy or religion. Seriously, have the pharmaceutical companies infected our minds this badly? That radiation seems normal and applauded as a great suggestion, but a water fast, simply the act of just resting and not eating.. is.. dangerous or…

No, the first problem here is you are certain you have a cure. You will listen to nothing to the contrary. Anyone who has evidence or experience that contradicts yours is dismissed as not having fasted long enough.

Your behavior is egomaniacal and casually callous.

I have cystic fibrosis. I am getting well when doctors claim it cannot be done. I have been in your shoes in arguments. I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and be constructive.

But, sorry I engaged. Carry on with your knowingly and intentionally trollish goal of getting converts to your totally not a cult.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Post by aviv »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #176
aviv wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about getting converts. That's the first problem here - that getting someone interested in a water fast as remedy to a disease is considered "cultish", some crazy conspiracy or religion. Seriously, have the pharmaceutical companies infected our minds this badly? That radiation seems normal and applauded as a great suggestion, but a water fast, simply the act of just resting and not eating.. is.. dangerous or…

No, the first problem here is you are certain you have a cure. You will listen to nothing to the contrary. Anyone who has evidence or experience that contradicts yours is dismissed as not having fasted long enough. Your behavior is egomaniacal and casually callous. I have cystic fibrosis. I am getting well when doctors claim it cannot be done. I have been in your shoes in arguments. I am trying to give you the benefi…

I have not seen or heard today of any evidence that says water fasting is either (a) harmful or (b) not useful. Do you have any sources?

It is well known that fasts need to be from a few days to 40 days. I'm sure you've come across that 40-day number before if you're not entirely new to fasting.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Post by DoreenMichele »

aviv wrote: post #175
DoreenMichele wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting rate limited or banned may not serve your goal too well. And one would do well to set their ego aside and try to first do no harm. Getting converts to your fasting religion may feel like a rush, but you may wind up harming someone. It does not sound to me like you really want to look at the possibility that your cure may not be all that and a bag of chips , which just sets off alarm bells for me. I am a poten…

Your last statement makes no sense. I already started with the man in the mirror. That man is arthritis-free since day 20 of a water fast 6 years ago. That man plays soccer every weekend, after not being able to for many years. I made my own world a better place. Friends and loved ones who listened to my real-life non-troll opinion are better off today. Every single one. A coworker who dismissed it 2 years ago came a…

Me? I don't actually enjoy this

Then you are free to stop, no?

I have one and only one person listening to what I have to say about my condition and getting better.

I was you a few years ago. I have been doing this 17 years, not 6.

Anyway. Probably just wasting your time and mine both.

Ciao.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Post by aviv »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #176
aviv wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about getting converts. That's the first problem here - that getting someone interested in a water fast as remedy to a disease is considered "cultish", some crazy conspiracy or religion. Seriously, have the pharmaceutical companies infected our minds this badly? That radiation seems normal and applauded as a great suggestion, but a water fast, simply the act of just resting and not eating.. is.. dangerous or…

No, the first problem here is you are certain you have a cure. You will listen to nothing to the contrary. Anyone who has evidence or experience that contradicts yours is dismissed as not having fasted long enough. Your behavior is egomaniacal and casually callous. I have cystic fibrosis. I am getting well when doctors claim it cannot be done. I have been in your shoes in arguments. I am trying to give you the benefi…

Also - why shouldn't I be certain that water fasting IS helpful and likely to cure many diseases? All the evidence I have and been exposed to shows precisely that. I'm not saying people should start it tomorrow. All I say is - research it, you will be introduced to an entirely different world of medicine.

Yet you have no issue with people who have never even heard of this concept coming here and making definitive statements that this is all non-sense?

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Post by DoreenMichele »

aviv wrote: post #177
DoreenMichele wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the first problem here is you are certain you have a cure. You will listen to nothing to the contrary. Anyone who has evidence or experience that contradicts yours is dismissed as not having fasted long enough. Your behavior is egomaniacal and casually callous. I have cystic fibrosis. I am getting well when doctors claim it cannot be done. I have been in your shoes in arguments. I am trying to give you the benefi…

I have not seen or heard today of any evidence that says water fasting is either (a) harmful or (b) not useful. Do you have any sources? It is well known that fasts need to be from a few days to 40 days. I'm sure you've come across that 40-day number before if you're not entirely new to fasting.

I am pretty new to fasting. I don't know of the evidence you are pressing me for. The request tells me you don't actually understand what I am saying.

So maybe take some time to digest it and if you ever want to really talk, my contact info is easy to find.

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