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India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by siddharthdeswal »

geofft wrote: post #110
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not dismissing what you're saying, and the fact that you're assuming that I'm just dismissing you is ridiculous. You're just assuming that because I don't immediately reject the discussion of stereotypes, that I'm some racist. It's just not true. I'm really sad about the state of HN nowadays. Anyone not PC is downvoted incessantly. This is just another example of a vocal minority drowning out the silent majority…

I did not downvote you, nor have I called you racist. I attempted to engage you in reasoned argument, and you are unwilling to engage in debate. Other people are not downvoting you because you're "not PC", they're downvoting you because you're not making cogent arguments , and anyone not making cogent arguments should be drowned out by cogent arguments.

What does "PC" stand for?

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by sandGorgon »

siddharthdeswal wrote: post #180
blocked_again wrote: post #157

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> I'm able to very easily get highly qualified Indians in Silicon Valley to move back and work on something cool in India. We understand your sentimence. But please don't exaggerate too much :)

I'm Indian and I agree with you. Parent overdid it a little bit. People gives many shits about the H1B, and it isn't that easy to pull Indians back from the US. Relatively easier than say ten years ago, but not at the level of bravado that parent exhibits.

This is not incorrect. YMMV obviously...but I stand by what I say.

However you misunderstood the reason - they are not coming because of me. They were coming back anyway because they want to work in India and build something here.

That was my point all along - I'm not uniquely positioned. It's happening all over.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by wyclif »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #120
user5994461 wrote: post #112

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70k gross is more than what a senior developer would get anywhere in Germany or France. If you really get that much, you've got it better than all western Europe, except London and Zurich.

Parent is still in an inflated labor bubble. In most of the US outside of the major cities it can be a struggle for experienced engineers to break 80K. I had to walk away from a lot of hideously low priced opportunities when I lived in the mid-west.

Why wouldn't you just work remote and solve that problem?

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by mythrwy »

fjsolwmv wrote: post #185
wyclif wrote: post #182

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This is an important point. As a westerner living in Asia now, I'm always amused by the maid-mongering that goes on here: "Oh, do you have a maid, a driver, and servants?" These are widespread status symbols in Asia. Now, of course these household servants perform valuable labour here. But where I'm from, a technologically advanced country- we've largely obviated household help. We have central HVAC, automatic dishwa…

People in USA have maids as status symbol too

In general not though. They have maids because they need them, not as a status symbol. And it is largely for the fairly wealthy and not something generally aspired to (in and of itself).

In fact, a lot of people will instantly regard those with maids as "probably assholes" in the US.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by grzm »

siddharthdeswal wrote: post #191
geofft wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not downvote you, nor have I called you racist. I attempted to engage you in reasoned argument, and you are unwilling to engage in debate. Other people are not downvoting you because you're "not PC", they're downvoting you because you're not making cogent arguments , and anyone not making cogent arguments should be drowned out by cogent arguments.

What does "PC" stand for?

In this context, politically correct.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by hungryfoolish »

Clubber wrote: post #90
EmployedRussian wrote: post #88

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> I've never met a good, experienced developer who was a slow typist. You will. There is a reason "fast typist" was not a required skill in any software jobs I've ever applied for, and I doubt developer strength has any correlation with typing speed.

It's not that fast typist is an indicator of a good developer, but a slow typist is an indicator of someone who hasn't spent a whole lot of time in front of a keyboard.

Or they have some motor disabilities in their arm/hand, which you should check for before making a judgement. Some people have carpal tunnel, some people have tremors, some people might have other condition they might not have even know themselves or would like to talk about openly.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by wolco »

newusertoday wrote: post #45
adrya407 wrote: post #28

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Since you are an Indian too, I think your remarks are kind of subjective and your reply a bit harsh, but I'll add more facts that sustain my point of view. >Not working hard doesn't come from the culture Yes it truly does. Since every individual has inherited from the environment and has been cultured that he needs to do just what he is told (the minimum), this is how he grows. >Maybe the firm you are dealing with do…

how do you explain the anamoly of indians in virtually all top jobs from ceo's of microsoft,google,pepsi etc. to pulitzer winners? while i agree with you that culture does impacts work but may be its not "indian" culture and more of a "company"culture. Having said that i don't see any contribution of india in sports, i don't know why.

They are one of the top nations for cricket. Famous stars like

Sachin Tendulkar, Mahendra Singh Dhoni or Dada - Sourav Ganguly

Checkout youtube for some amazing highlights.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by wyclif »

adrya407 wrote: post #37
Daishiman wrote: post #9

Well, yeah, entry-level IT stuff was always a target for automation because the human component should have been almost completely unnecessary from the start. As the industry matures and execs and staff become aware of the degree of automation that's possible, they also understand that a lot of the services offered by consultancy services are mostly fluff and way to add FTEs.

>Well, yeah, entry-level IT stuff was always a target for automation I see this as a progress. Since you replace the first-level IT stuff with automated processes, the now second-level IT stuff will sooner or later become first-level and so on. Therefore all the levels are pushed upwards and we tend to go to higher levels, no matter if we speak about developing, researching, improving etc.

How much do you guys think current DevOps roles will be automated within the next 10 years? I think about this a lot but then I remember that back when most of these functions were called "sysadmin" tasks, they were always supposed to get automated out but never really did.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by jackmott »

grad_ml wrote: post #126
blindwatchmaker wrote: post #103

One of the articles linking from this one ( https://qz.com/964843/less-than-5-of-india-engineers-are-cut... ) made me laugh: > More than two-thirds of the candidates from the top 100 universities in the country were able to write “compilable code,” or that which does not throw errors when compiled into machine-readable code. I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean? Most devs make typos or errors when writing new c…

This is plain BS. I don't recall any CS department in India (and I know 100's) teaching, MS-word, Logo, Basic, Powerpoint, excel etc. However, I did TA'ed at Rice University, TX, Excel course for freshman.

they don't teach excel in the comp sci department at Rice.
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