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> but that's typically more cumbersome as you have to trade keys with everybody that needs an email. What would be needed is a public key infrastructure. If organizations like the state board of medicine could serve as a certificate authority for physicians licensed in that state (or maybe the DEA since they issue id numbers to physicians that are needed for controlled substance prescriptions), then the key managemen…

That sounds fine in theory and if implemented well it would work, but I'm not sure how well it would work in reality. I just refer to my small business tax return every year to get an idea of how many forms would need to be filled out to just send email. How would that work for offices that send non PHI emails? Would it go through that system too, or would it have to key on recipient email addresses? How hard would i…

> How would that work for offices that send non PHI emails?

They could encrypt those emails as well. While sending a non-encrypted email that contains PHI is a problem, sending an encrypted email that doens't contain PHI shouldn't be an issue (as long as the intended recipient can decrypt it, which they should).

> How hard would it be to shut down and create a new email for each employee that left, etc.

That comes down to revoking the certificate or using shorter intervals for the duration where the certificate is considered valid. For example, if the organization requires that one changes their password every 60 days, then a certificate should not have more than a 60 day period where it's valid.

> Would you have to have a special email server just for PHI and another for regular?

This wouldn't be server dependent. This would be dependent on the email client handling the encryption and decryption. The more that's automated, the less chance that there's a mistake with regards to email containing PHI.

> Also, physicians themselves rarely send emails, they have office assistants do it. They are busy providing care.

Physicians have to do all sorts of things like writing progress notes, dictating admission and discharge summaries, calling in prescriptions, writing orders, etc. The system they use could also be used to securely send PHI containing email to other physicians, pharmacists, or hospital systems.

But regulation could be a good incentive against physicians allowing others to use their account credentials to do things like sending PHI information to other organizations. No physician would like to be summoned by the board of medicine of the state they're licensed in over something like that.

But I think that a lot of the problems could be addressed by those who have cross-domain knowledge about technology and health-care (speaking as someone who went through medical school and subsequently changed fields to computer science/software development).

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Sad that you get down voted when you make so many valid and useful points. Galileo was in the same boat at one time! I don't think you can blame traditional physicians. Most of them really didn't go to school for a decade to tell fat people to eat less. They want to solve medical problems, not play life coach. Maybe there is a role for technology here. People accept statements from a machine that they'd take great of…

I could see a computer calculated life expectency with weight loss as an option to increase it. Being told you are fat is not a good reason to loose wight. People probably already know they are fat. Maybe there are other reasons that could be communicated...

Seems like one of those things where reason didn't get you to where you are, so reason won't get you out of it. People tend to have an emotional reaction to a person telling them to do something they already should be doing. Maybe tech can help. Here an example of what I'm talking about.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/fashion/how-apples-sir...

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Sad that you get down voted when you make so many valid and useful points. Galileo was in the same boat at one time! I don't think you can blame traditional physicians. Most of them really didn't go to school for a decade to tell fat people to eat less. They want to solve medical problems, not play life coach. Maybe there is a role for technology here. People accept statements from a machine that they'd take great of…

Is this a new thing? When I was a kid, we still had what was called a "family doctor." I'm not sure these really exist anymore. He never hesitated to tell my mom she needed to lose weight or my dad he needed to stop smoking. Maybe the fact that he wasn't a specialist allowed him to be more practical with his advice.

And it stops there after a short suggestion. Maybe it's time for "behavioral medicine" a la behavioral finance. We already know people aren't going to listen (they statistically don't) so how else can we tell them in ways that they will listen.

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Is this a new thing? When I was a kid, we still had what was called a "family doctor." I'm not sure these really exist anymore. He never hesitated to tell my mom she needed to lose weight or my dad he needed to stop smoking. Maybe the fact that he wasn't a specialist allowed him to be more practical with his advice.

You know how in technology we like to say "no one got fired for buying Cisco?". Well, for them it's no one got fired for selling Lipitor.

Exactly, and it's not an irrational decision either. There's a gap in the medical system. It's really really difficult to get people to change their behavior. It requires a completely different skill set from curing, preventing, or ameliorating clinical disease. Trying to get doctors do it is quite frankly a waste of everyone's time.

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Well as a physician, you can't really force your patient to exercise and eat better. The best you can do is prescribe a medication to treat the symptoms, tell your patient to exercise and eat better, and send them off. Do you have an alternative to prescribing medication for type 2 diabetes and Crohn's? Do you think doctors should simply withhold care since it's their patients' faults that they have those conditions?

AFAIK, as a patient with Crohn’s, there is no evidence that any specific diet causes or cures Crohn’s disease. If you know of dietary restrictions which reduce risk of Crohn’s in the same manner as type 2 diabetes, please share it, as I know many people (both patients and physicians) that would be happy to help make lifestyle changes to cure their disease.

There is some evidence that the low FODMAP diet that has proven very effective for managing IBS can also be effective for managing IBD such as Crohn's. Personally, it has been much more effective for me than any of the half dozen medications I have tried.

Of course, this is not actually a cure for Crohn's, just a treatment.

Re: Big Tech Is Going After Health Care

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Is this a new thing? When I was a kid, we still had what was called a "family doctor." I'm not sure these really exist anymore. He never hesitated to tell my mom she needed to lose weight or my dad he needed to stop smoking. Maybe the fact that he wasn't a specialist allowed him to be more practical with his advice.

And it stops there after a short suggestion. Maybe it's time for "behavioral medicine" a la behavioral finance. We already know people aren't going to listen (they statistically don't) so how else can we tell them in ways that they will listen.

Make it like life or car insurance. I don't pay as high of a premium as a person with DUI history. Why is my health insurance premium the same as a person with an unhealthy lifestyle that frequents the doctor far more than I do for ailments resulting from their poor dietary choices?

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There are some major hurdles for these SV companies to overcome if they want any level of success in this arena. EPIC and Cerner together hold over 50% market share of EHR systems in American hospitals. Their interoperability and patient facing applications are a joke. EPIC actively makes it difficult for third parties to build on top of their system. Sure, these SV companies have figured out how to build great tech…

EPIC and Cerner are doing their best to, simultaneously: 1) Appear to be open, ready for innovation and playing fair (so hospitals don't replace them) 2) Maintain their position as gatekeepers, and use that position to extract as much revenue as possible. New startup wants to deploy tech at your hospital? Hospital probably will end up paying more to Cerner for the integration, than the new tech.

Sounds EXACTLY like an industry ripe for disruption

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AFAIK, as a patient with Crohn’s, there is no evidence that any specific diet causes or cures Crohn’s disease. If you know of dietary restrictions which reduce risk of Crohn’s in the same manner as type 2 diabetes, please share it, as I know many people (both patients and physicians) that would be happy to help make lifestyle changes to cure their disease.

It's AFAYK because that's what you are being told currently. Who do you expect to show you the evidence that a 2-week water fast will cure your Crohn's? The company that makes Remicade which brings them up to $200K a year per patient? A university that gets funded by the government that is lobbied heavily by the pharma companies? Come on. Think about it. I already shared it - now it's up to you to pick it up from her…

I’ve fasted for more than two weeks while suffering from a blockage large enough to prevent eating solid food. I still have Crohn’s. It’s possible and certainly important to manage inflammatory symptoms with diet, but unfortunately curing the disease through diet is just impossible. I’m glad it’s worked out for your friends. I just hope you aren’t preventing those with serious disease who need proper medical treatment from following through.

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I agree, I may come off as a troll. I get your point. It's too bad if I do though, my intention is to point people in a direction that will help them and one that they've likely never come across before because no one in the traditional medical world will ever suggest this as a viable option. I will make it a point to phrase my comments differently in the next health-related thread.

> "I will make it a point to phrase my comments differently in the next health-related thread." Why wait? Why not start now?

Unfortunately water fasting is not effective in treating chronic procrastination.

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Perhaps the scales could be built into the bed somehow?

Modern hospital beds do have scales built in.

Thanks - I did not know that.

Full-automation should be possible then - no need for the nurse to get the patient on the scales.

That's probably what #rayiner meant when he wrote that the solution is obvious.

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