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India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by Krakatauer »

adrya407 wrote: post #11
abhishek0318 wrote: post #4

These people are mainly relatively unskilled. These companies are notorious for hiring entire batches of graduating students. Situation in top tier colleges is lot better. This can be seen from increase in placements in IITs this year.

>These people are mainly relatively unskilled Not only that I agree with that, but I'd like to add the fact that after 2 years of working in a team splitted in Romania and India, the working experience with Indian programmers is relatively difficult. It's not something isolated to an individual, all of my colleagues have been complaining that they would really like to work with someone else, but not from India. I thi…

I might be able to provide some insight. In my MSc program, we had a number of Indian students.

The students who were expected by their parents to become computer scientists had much worse attitudes and were much harder to work with than the ones who were doing it on their own initiative.

I was told becoming a computer professional is something parents pressure their offspring to do, and this could be the root cause of this phenomenon.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by adrya407 »

cjsawyer wrote: post #27
adrya407 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>These people are mainly relatively unskilled Not only that I agree with that, but I'd like to add the fact that after 2 years of working in a team splitted in Romania and India, the working experience with Indian programmers is relatively difficult. It's not something isolated to an individual, all of my colleagues have been complaining that they would really like to work with someone else, but not from India. I thi…

Don’t stereotype an entire country of people. That said, the Indians I have worked with were diligent workers who all but ignored instructions. They produced lots of work but most of it was not to spec. It was only a few groups though so I really can't speak with any scale backing me up.

>These people are mainly relatively unskilled. These companies are notorious for hiring entire batches of graduating students.

Please follow the discussion, I was talking only about the fresh graduates and entry-level employees, I was not at all stereotyping the whole country. On the contrary I find them a pretty impressive nation with outstanding potential in the next century.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by forkjoin »

Given the number of graduates who join the workforce every year in India, plus the traditional model of companies to maintain a bench for graduate engineer in anticipation of big contracts, the number doesn't look disproportionate. Apart from all the politics and shifting revenue targets (which are the culprit to a great extent), todays technology trends clearly indicates a lot of "high-valued" job are going to be redundant as well, one report from CBRE predicts 50% of occupations today will no longer exist in 2025. whats shall everyone do? skill up . Is that anything new in software development? Nopes, in my 11 years I have already jumped through hoops of yet another modern day tech stack a few times to stay afloat.So I'd imagine its not just the low value IT jobs which are at risk, even the bleeding edge development practices might face the same fate. Any mobile developer thinking about joining the blockchain, ML bandwagon? or wait, carpentry anyone? :sigh

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by mythrwy »

adrya407 wrote: post #11
abhishek0318 wrote: post #4

These people are mainly relatively unskilled. These companies are notorious for hiring entire batches of graduating students. Situation in top tier colleges is lot better. This can be seen from increase in placements in IITs this year.

>These people are mainly relatively unskilled Not only that I agree with that, but I'd like to add the fact that after 2 years of working in a team splitted in Romania and India, the working experience with Indian programmers is relatively difficult. It's not something isolated to an individual, all of my colleagues have been complaining that they would really like to work with someone else, but not from India. I thi…

I'd sure hate to be judged by the "Average" American.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by rectangletangle »

cjsawyer wrote: post #27
adrya407 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>These people are mainly relatively unskilled Not only that I agree with that, but I'd like to add the fact that after 2 years of working in a team splitted in Romania and India, the working experience with Indian programmers is relatively difficult. It's not something isolated to an individual, all of my colleagues have been complaining that they would really like to work with someone else, but not from India. I thi…

Don’t stereotype an entire country of people. That said, the Indians I have worked with were diligent workers who all but ignored instructions. They produced lots of work but most of it was not to spec. It was only a few groups though so I really can't speak with any scale backing me up.

Especially a country as particularly large and diverse as India. Each state is nearly it's own country from a linguistic, historical, and cultural standpoint. It's almost as overgeneralized as referring to all Africans, or Europeans as some sort of collective. I'd almost consider India along the same lines as the entire EU.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by JSONwebtoken »

code4tee wrote: post #5

There will be many more. The India IT sector’s main play was cheap labor for low value-add IT tasks like basic dev or ops. The play a while back was to move day-to-day ops jobs to this cheap labor. Now the play is to automate this work so the jobs are disappearing. E.g when you move to the cloud with good architecture you don’t need tons of people pushing buttons and tweaking servers all day long. The India firms hav…

Not to mention if your only competitive advantage is price, there always is or will be a source of labor that is cheaper than you. For example, a number of startups I work with are now moving their IT support and basic dev to the Philippines. The quality of work is equally bad or worse, but it's even cheaper than India and the language barrier is comparable.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by adrya407 »

Daishiman wrote: post #9

Well, yeah, entry-level IT stuff was always a target for automation because the human component should have been almost completely unnecessary from the start. As the industry matures and execs and staff become aware of the degree of automation that's possible, they also understand that a lot of the services offered by consultancy services are mostly fluff and way to add FTEs.

>Well, yeah, entry-level IT stuff was always a target for automation

I see this as a progress. Since you replace the first-level IT stuff with automated processes, the now second-level IT stuff will sooner or later become first-level and so on. Therefore all the levels are pushed upwards and we tend to go to higher levels, no matter if we speak about developing, researching, improving etc.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by john_moscow »

eksemplar wrote: post #2

It'll probably get worse for a lot of people. I work in the public sector, in a municipality. Our IT department has been relatively big on the server side, utilizing consultants ever so often to ensure best practices. To be honest I'm not an operations guy, and never have been, but I do work in management and my good friend who heads the IT department is struggling to find new roles for the operations people as we're…

Out of curiosity, how does blockchain come into play with Danish municipal IT?

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by blattimwind »

adrya407 wrote: post #11
abhishek0318 wrote: post #4

These people are mainly relatively unskilled. These companies are notorious for hiring entire batches of graduating students. Situation in top tier colleges is lot better. This can be seen from increase in placements in IITs this year.

>These people are mainly relatively unskilled Not only that I agree with that, but I'd like to add the fact that after 2 years of working in a team splitted in Romania and India, the working experience with Indian programmers is relatively difficult. It's not something isolated to an individual, all of my colleagues have been complaining that they would really like to work with someone else, but not from India. I thi…

A fun fact, if you may. Every company doing actual, industrial field work has huge problems finding people who are willing to do field work at Indian plants (and are qualified, obviously). If you know a field guy, ask him if he has had any experience there. Industry doesn't really matter...

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Post by just_saying_it »

adrya407 wrote: post #28
axiom92 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it comes from their culture, they are not used to work hard or to do something willingly. Cut the crap. India is a country of 1.3 billion people, don't peddle bullshit stereotypes. Not working hard doesn't come from the culture; it's quite the opposite if anything. >They are doing it if they must, if someone tells them that they have to do it. Maybe the firm you are dealing with doesn't pay the employees we…

Since you are an Indian too, I think your remarks are kind of subjective and your reply a bit harsh, but I'll add more facts that sustain my point of view. >Not working hard doesn't come from the culture Yes it truly does. Since every individual has inherited from the environment and has been cultured that he needs to do just what he is told (the minimum), this is how he grows. >Maybe the firm you are dealing with do…

Assigning attributes to an entire country based on experience with a few people is poor logic. It is the same if someone worked with a few people at Google India or one of the IITs, and claimed all Indians are super smart and it comes from their culture.
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