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Re: A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age

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Post by sevensor »

teilo wrote: post #8

I realize this article is a tongue-in-cheek fan theory. However, it does make me wonder what Tarantino was up to with Pulp Fiction. The Ezekiel "quote" always bugged me because even without looking it up, anyone who spent any amount of time in the Old Testament, could tell that it was fabricated. "Finder of lost children" is not an OT motif in general, and certainly not in Ezekiel. Obviously, Tarantino knew people wo…

I think Tarantino put mysteries into Pulp Fiction for the same reason Scott wrote this post -- the mind likes to make connections where there are none. Scott did this quite deliberately, to entertain us both on the meta-level and on the level. I suspect Tarantino added inexplicable elements so that we as the audience would be entertained by speculation. There's nothing underneath.

If you want to see what happens when the writers lose their nerve and try to explain everything, watch Lost.

Re: A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age

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Post by teilo »

sevensor wrote: post #21
teilo wrote: post #8

I realize this article is a tongue-in-cheek fan theory. However, it does make me wonder what Tarantino was up to with Pulp Fiction. The Ezekiel "quote" always bugged me because even without looking it up, anyone who spent any amount of time in the Old Testament, could tell that it was fabricated. "Finder of lost children" is not an OT motif in general, and certainly not in Ezekiel. Obviously, Tarantino knew people wo…

I think Tarantino put mysteries into Pulp Fiction for the same reason Scott wrote this post -- the mind likes to make connections where there are none. Scott did this quite deliberately, to entertain us both on the meta-level and on the level. I suspect Tarantino added inexplicable elements so that we as the audience would be entertained by speculation. There's nothing underneath. If you want to see what happens when…

> I suspect Tarantino added inexplicable elements so that we as the audience would be entertained by speculation.

Which is exactly what I concluded.

Re: A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age

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Post by pavel_lishin »

teilo wrote: post #8

I realize this article is a tongue-in-cheek fan theory. However, it does make me wonder what Tarantino was up to with Pulp Fiction. The Ezekiel "quote" always bugged me because even without looking it up, anyone who spent any amount of time in the Old Testament, could tell that it was fabricated. "Finder of lost children" is not an OT motif in general, and certainly not in Ezekiel. Obviously, Tarantino knew people wo…

It's entirely possible that the Bible in the Tarantinoverse is not the same Bible that we have.

Re: A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age

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Post by mcguire »

nolliebs180 wrote: post #14
tootie wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always wondered how Christians were able to square the existence of Santa with the 2nd commandment. Then again, how they can reconcile Jesus with the 2nd commandment is bit dodgy to me too so what do I know.

Trinity is how they reconcile Jesus with the 2nd commandment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity Basically put God == Jesus

But not God === Jesus. :-)

Re: A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age

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Post by sevensor »

teilo wrote: post #22
sevensor wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Tarantino put mysteries into Pulp Fiction for the same reason Scott wrote this post -- the mind likes to make connections where there are none. Scott did this quite deliberately, to entertain us both on the meta-level and on the level. I suspect Tarantino added inexplicable elements so that we as the audience would be entertained by speculation. There's nothing underneath. If you want to see what happens when…

> I suspect Tarantino added inexplicable elements so that we as the audience would be entertained by speculation. Which is exactly what I concluded.

Indeed. I went on a bit too long and buried my point, I'm afraid. What I wanted to draw attention to was the self-awareness of the original post: It's entertaining on both levels because although Scott puts a great deal of sincere effort into drawing out the connections, he's also well aware that there's nothing there.

Re: A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age

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Post by gumby »

tootie wrote: post #9
stared wrote: post #6

As a note on Santa Claus being something different than we think: "Is Santa Claus a god?" ( http://nautil.us/blog/is-santa-claus-a-god ). tl;dr: Omniscience (of child's deeds), rewarding the good (with gifts) and punishing the bad (with coal).

I always wondered how Christians were able to square the existence of Santa with the 2nd commandment. Then again, how they can reconcile Jesus with the 2nd commandment is bit dodgy to me too so what do I know.

> I always wondered how Christians were able to square the existence of Santa with the 2nd commandment.

More concerning is their failure to square the existence of Santa with the 2nd amendment.

Re: A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age

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Post by bovermyer »

mcguire wrote: post #24
nolliebs180 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trinity is how they reconcile Jesus with the 2nd commandment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity Basically put God == Jesus

But not God === Jesus. :-)

So then there's a concept of "godiness" to match "truthiness."

Is there a man page for this stuff?

Re: A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age

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Post by krapp »

bovermyer wrote: post #27
mcguire wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But not God === Jesus. :-)

So then there's a concept of "godiness" to match "truthiness." Is there a man page for this stuff?

No. But there are multiple competing, contradictory and vague interpretations of multiple translations and iterations of a "manpage", with centuries of cruft attached.

The Trinity as a concept is basically just annotated with "you are not expected to understand this," possibly because it attempts to describe a state of divine being which is beyond human comprehension, but more likely because it's actually nonsense.

Re: A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age

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Post by justhelpingout »

bovermyer wrote: post #27
mcguire wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But not God === Jesus. :-)

So then there's a concept of "godiness" to match "truthiness." Is there a man page for this stuff?

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/ and http://www.newadvent.org/summa/index.html

but the former is more like INFO while the latter is more like `man builtins` (that is, it assumes you already know a lot about the system)

Re: A History of the Silmarils in the Fifth Age

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Post by foobarian »

sevensor wrote: post #21
teilo wrote: post #8

I realize this article is a tongue-in-cheek fan theory. However, it does make me wonder what Tarantino was up to with Pulp Fiction. The Ezekiel "quote" always bugged me because even without looking it up, anyone who spent any amount of time in the Old Testament, could tell that it was fabricated. "Finder of lost children" is not an OT motif in general, and certainly not in Ezekiel. Obviously, Tarantino knew people wo…

I think Tarantino put mysteries into Pulp Fiction for the same reason Scott wrote this post -- the mind likes to make connections where there are none. Scott did this quite deliberately, to entertain us both on the meta-level and on the level. I suspect Tarantino added inexplicable elements so that we as the audience would be entertained by speculation. There's nothing underneath. If you want to see what happens when…

On the other hand there is X files.

There really needs to be an "engineer plot" genre where plot stays consistent to a small set of made up axioms. "The Strain" made an attempt. It boggles the mind why not in a single one of the zombie stories out there nobody bothered to wonder where the zombies get the energy? The way most of them work it's like cold fusion landing in one's lap.

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