IMO, here's a site that gives some pretty good analysis for countries around the world, https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-press/freedom-press-...
Edit: Sorry. https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-net/freedom-net-2017
Vietnam Deploys Cyber Warriors to Fight ‘Wrongful Views'
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Re: Vietnam Deploys Cyber Warriors to Fight ‘Wrongful Views'
#22I'm sure they are getting their playbook from their Chinese friends. Even Japan is getting more heavy handed than they were, and in Asia, they are the most liberal of all governments in comparison. Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, all heavy handed as regards the Internet. Russia, China, most of the former Balkan states, Turkey... Brazil, even.
Careful with that high horse buddy! Progressive western countries aren’t exactly new to internet censorship either: https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/21/15847262/german-facebook-...
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#23It's an interesting progression - 5 years ago the Vietnamese government was trying to block Facebook (it was pretty easy to get around). Then they gave up on that and allowed everyone on Facebook, and now they are more concerned with dissent so I guess they are going to patrol social media. It's interesting that they have not decided to return to their previous policy of blocking Facebook. They have some pretty stran…
There are universities in Saigon that offer Vietnamese language classes for foreigners so it's definitely not forbidden. As is usually the case in Vietnam, the law depends a lot on when it's interpreted and who is doing the interpreting.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Internet is just one channel where you can express opinions. Many journalists are jailed even today based on their opinions, and I feel it's on us tech people to enable them the free speech they deserve.
"Us tech people" are the ones enabling them to censor though. From the article: "Facebook this year removed 159 accounts at Vietnam’s behest, while YouTube took down 4,500 videos, or 90 percent of what the government requested".
On that same thread, Cisco built the Chinese Golden Shield which is what now is refer to the great chinese firewall iirc.
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#25It's an interesting progression - 5 years ago the Vietnamese government was trying to block Facebook (it was pretty easy to get around). Then they gave up on that and allowed everyone on Facebook, and now they are more concerned with dissent so I guess they are going to patrol social media. It's interesting that they have not decided to return to their previous policy of blocking Facebook. They have some pretty stran…
There are universities in Saigon that offer Vietnamese language classes for foreigners so it's definitely not forbidden. As is usually the case in Vietnam, the law depends a lot on when it's interpreted and who is doing the interpreting.
It's true that it's not forbidden in Saigon, but it is essentially forbidden in Dalat. I don't know about other towns in Vietnam as I can only speak to my experience.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s a breathtaking over simplification of their relationship. It’s a very complex and mildly antagonistic relationship while, yes, also having strong cultural and political influence. Your characterization is incredibly broad however and - taken as written - quite inaccurate
I've been living in Vietnam for over seven years now and spoken to countless locals about this and it's way more than mildly antagonistic.
Agreed. The general sentiment that I've gotten from talking to people is that they are worried that either China will invade Vietnam (and hope that the US will protect them) or that the Vietnamese government has already "sold out" their country to China.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Us tech people" are the ones enabling them to censor though. From the article: "Facebook this year removed 159 accounts at Vietnam’s behest, while YouTube took down 4,500 videos, or 90 percent of what the government requested".
That's nonsense. Countries are responsible for making up their own laws, not foreign techies.
Just following orders huh?
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been living in Vietnam for over seven years now and spoken to countless locals about this and it's way more than mildly antagonistic.
Agreed. The general sentiment that I've gotten from talking to people is that they are worried that either China will invade Vietnam (and hope that the US will protect them) or that the Vietnamese government has already "sold out" their country to China.
> or that the Vietnamese government has already "sold out" their country to China.
That's what im' trying to say as well
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#29London Metropolitan Police already has an Online Hate Speech Hub with varying reports of staff (5-20?). This is in spite of admissions they do not have enough resources to respond to property offenses.
This might be of interest: The UK Crown Prosecution Service uses " definitions agreed with the National Police Chiefs' Council to identify racist or religious incidents/crimes and to monitor the decisions and outcomes:
"Any incident/crime which is perceived by the victim or any other person to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race"
or
"Any incident/crime which is perceived by the victim or any other person to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on a person's religion or perceived religion."
Re: Vietnam Deploys Cyber Warriors to Fight ‘Wrongful Views'
#30any country with online capabilities have been doing this for a long time now. governments also like brand-defence... don't understand why people need to point at specific ones (*usualy not country of media origin) instead of trying to speak about the moar broad and global issue of this internet policing / trying to discredit/track/stop people with differing views.