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Vietnam Deploys Cyber Warriors to Fight ‘Wrongful Views'

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Re: Vietnam Deploys Cyber Warriors to Fight ‘Wrongful Views'

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Post by olalonde »

geofft wrote: post #10
olalonde wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's nonsense. Countries are responsible for making up their own laws, not foreign techies.

I think it behooves all techies to reread and really think about the Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace every now and then: https://www.eff.org/cyberspace-independence

I am deeply against censorship, consider myself a libertarian and wouldn't personally work for Facebook. I deeply sympathise with this manifesto. But I'm also a consequentialist and I believe the Vietnamese are overall better served with a censored Facebook/Youtube than no Facebook/Youtube at all. I also don't believe that getting 100% of techies on our side is a realistic strategy.

Re: Vietnam Deploys Cyber Warriors to Fight ‘Wrongful Views'

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Post by abritinthebay »

tuananh wrote: post #8
nradov wrote: post #5

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Vietnam and China aren't exactly friends . They fought a war in 1979 and have ongoing territorial disputes.

more like "special administrative region" of china. thought not many people want to believe that, China has very strong political influence in Vietnam

That’s a breathtaking over simplification of their relationship.

It’s a very complex and mildly antagonistic relationship while, yes, also having strong cultural and political influence.

Your characterization is incredibly broad however and - taken as written - quite inaccurate

Re: Vietnam Deploys Cyber Warriors to Fight ‘Wrongful Views'

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Post by [deleted] »

abritinthebay wrote: post #12
tuananh wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

more like "special administrative region" of china. thought not many people want to believe that, China has very strong political influence in Vietnam

That’s a breathtaking over simplification of their relationship. It’s a very complex and mildly antagonistic relationship while, yes, also having strong cultural and political influence. Your characterization is incredibly broad however and - taken as written - quite inaccurate

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Re: Vietnam Deploys Cyber Warriors to Fight ‘Wrongful Views'

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Post by hktrl »

secret_island wrote: post #3

I'm sure they are getting their playbook from their Chinese friends. Even Japan is getting more heavy handed than they were, and in Asia, they are the most liberal of all governments in comparison. Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, all heavy handed as regards the Internet. Russia, China, most of the former Balkan states, Turkey... Brazil, even.

Internet has to been regulated there is no doubt. If not we might have a Trump copy in any country.

What a nightmare

Re: Vietnam Deploys Cyber Warriors to Fight ‘Wrongful Views'

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Post by cageface »

abritinthebay wrote: post #12
tuananh wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

more like "special administrative region" of china. thought not many people want to believe that, China has very strong political influence in Vietnam

That’s a breathtaking over simplification of their relationship. It’s a very complex and mildly antagonistic relationship while, yes, also having strong cultural and political influence. Your characterization is incredibly broad however and - taken as written - quite inaccurate

I've been living in Vietnam for over seven years now and spoken to countless locals about this and it's way more than mildly antagonistic.

Re: Vietnam Deploys Cyber Warriors to Fight ‘Wrongful Views'

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Post by santoriv »

It's an interesting progression - 5 years ago the Vietnamese government was trying to block Facebook (it was pretty easy to get around). Then they gave up on that and allowed everyone on Facebook, and now they are more concerned with dissent so I guess they are going to patrol social media. It's interesting that they have not decided to return to their previous policy of blocking Facebook.

They have some pretty strange policies here. I lived in Dalat, Vietnam for two years and went to an "illegal" Vietnamese language class. A teacher needs to have a license from Hanoi to teach Vietnamese to foreigners. And since it's apparently impossible to get a license, we were studying Vietnamese illegally. Eventually, the local police got wind of it and broke the class up. So all of the foreigners living here are essentially forbidden from learning how to communicate with the locals effectively. It's very bizarre.

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