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Darktable 2.4.0 released

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Re: Darktable 2.4.0 released

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Post by philliphaydon »

feikname wrote: post #13
philliphaydon wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN links to the news article so I was confused as to what Darktable was, I clicked on a few of the links in the menu and couldn't figure out quickly what it was, I then googled to find out it was an alternative to lightroom, so I googled darktable and clicked on the link to find out there's a homepage with the information I was looking for initially... But there's no menu item to get to the homepage?

There's a link to the homepage in every single page of the website, it's the image of the logo. While I agree that it's not obvious, that's a common practice (Hacker News does the same) so you should probably keep that in mind.

Hah, didn't even think of clicking the logo.

Re: Darktable 2.4.0 released

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Post by frik »

jwagenet wrote: post #34
ekianjo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adobe Lightroom is not free so its the not at the same level. Nobody compares Blender on the same level as Maya either.

I'd disagree with the Blender example. I think GIMP and Inkscape are a notch or two behind their counterparts, but Blender can do almost all the things Maya or Max can, with the primary downsides being ui/workflow shortcomings and industry adoption.

3DMax, Maya, SketchUp, FreeCAD, SolidEdge, SolidWorks, CREO, CATIA, etc all have a traditional Win95 style UI with menu bar, toolbar and/or ribbonbar.

Only Blender is the ugly swan, that still has this inhouse-style homegrown UI from the early 1990s UNIX where Blender originated. Nothing in a Blender works as expected, the mouse buttons are opposite to everyone else, the toolbars go all over the place and spam the workspace, no tabs, weird floating windows, keyboard shortcuts from hell, camera controls like coded by 5 year old kid, and so on. Even GIMP has a more sane UI, it's actually not that bad at all. But don't get me started on Blender. Blender needs a complete new UI, otherwise it would be such a shame, the program is good but it's very user hostile and the interface has a step learning curve for no reason at all, and the devs see no reason at all to get over their pride and will never change Blender's UI, which is unfortunate. So maybe someone forks Blender and scraps the old UI and adds a sane UI comparable to industry alternatives - it would help adoption of Blender a lot. Sometimes it looks like they get paid to keep Blender lower key, so that Maya and co still can be sold.

Re: Darktable 2.4.0 released

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Post by stevekemp »

bedros wrote: post #11

I wish they support photo management, at least import photos into organized folders by date

I'm the reverse - I want to manage the location and organization of my images 100% manually. I have a good work-flow of copying RAW files to

       ~/Images/$year/$location/$event/raw
Exported JPGs go to "$event/jpg" and it makes it easy to find. I've never used darktable, instead I use rawtherapee which allows me to work with images in my own preferred locations without wanting to "import" or "copy" to some internal database.

Re: Darktable 2.4.0 released

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Post by kyriakos »

jwagenet wrote: post #34
ekianjo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adobe Lightroom is not free so its the not at the same level. Nobody compares Blender on the same level as Maya either.

I'd disagree with the Blender example. I think GIMP and Inkscape are a notch or two behind their counterparts, but Blender can do almost all the things Maya or Max can, with the primary downsides being ui/workflow shortcomings and industry adoption.

I agree here. Blender is professional grade - it can be replace its commercial counterparts if the industry decides so. On the other hand you can't pretend this is the same situation with Gimp.

Re: Darktable 2.4.0 released

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Post by kyriakos »

bitL wrote: post #29

As Adobe has released the very last non-cloud Lightroom, I guess it's time to move to its "negative" - Darktable.

Thats not true. There are two versions of Lightroom, the cloud one and Lightroom Classic. The Classic is the continuation of the regular desktop version and from what I understand its not going anywhere. Adobe cannot afford to take the desktop version away from photographers cause unlike photoshop there is good (or even better) competitors (e.g. Capture One is chewing up Lightroom's market share being faster and according to a lot of photographers gives better results).

Re: Darktable 2.4.0 released

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Post by avaika »

pmoriarty wrote: post #7

As a long time GIMP user, coming to Darktable has been a revelation. I'm super impressed with how powerful and polished Darktable is, and overall I really love it. On the other hand, Darktable has some serious issues that make it less than ideal for me. First, on my old laptop Darktable is super, super slow... especially when the image I'm editing has lots of operations performed on it. In that case, performing a sim…

Yes, sliders are really a pain. However from my experience it's much more convenient to move sliders with keyboard arrows (hover a mouse over slider and use the arrows). it still sucks, but sucks less :)

Re: Darktable 2.4.0 released

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Post by randoaccount108 »

coppolaemilio wrote: post #15
randoaccount108 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't say, but it actually seems pretty forced, like a joke. All of those placeholders actually link to the resources they'd want. I'd guess it's a poke at regular start-up style "We are awesome because X" statements on their home page.

It is a joke :)

I actually appreciate it, it seemed a little too curated for placeholders :p

Re: Darktable 2.4.0 released

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Post by pvdebbe »

I slowly warmed up to Darktable as I began to shoot raw in the summer. During the holidays I had access to a Winblows machine and tried the hyped Capture One... doesn't seem to hold candle for DT!

Re: Darktable 2.4.0 released

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Post by pvdebbe »

old-gregg wrote: post #38
acidburnNSA wrote: post #5

The big news with this release is that it's the first to support Windows. I've been using this on linux for a year as a hobbyist Photographer and it's exceedingly glorious. Have not tried out the Windows build but apparently you can do that now [1]. Also if you want to learn a lot about "developing" digital photographs (it really is a digital darkroom), I learned a lot from this youtube list of 42 Darktable tutorial…

What kind of camera are you using? I've been trying _hard_ to switch from Lightroom to Darktable and so far I have been failing to even match the output of in-camera JPEG engine of my Canon 5D Mk4... The skin tone is just not there... like it knows what highlights are and what shadows are but loses something in the middle. Well-lit RAW are fine, but when the light is challenging I always get better results in Lightro…

You may have to experiment with different base curves or even make your own one. I don't know much about the underlying theory but I lamented how I couldn't push the shadows in Fujifilm files (halos like hell) and people suggested that I should make my own basecurve and that would help a lot. My new camera has an excellent base curve that hasn't needed any adjusting.

Re: Darktable 2.4.0 released

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Post by avaika »

stevekemp wrote: post #43
bedros wrote: post #11

I wish they support photo management, at least import photos into organized folders by date

I'm the reverse - I want to manage the location and organization of my images 100% manually. I have a good work-flow of copying RAW files to ~/Images/$year/$location/$event/raw Exported JPGs go to "$event/jpg" and it makes it easy to find. I've never used darktable, instead I use rawtherapee which allows me to work with images in my own preferred locations without wanting to "import" or "copy" to some internal databa…

I believe it's much more convenient to have a tree like ~/photos/$year/$month.$day-$event/[raw|jpg]/$YYYY.MM.DD-hh.mm.ss.[raw|jpg]

Especially handy when you need to mix your photos with someone else's (I add -$author to photo name). I wrote a simple script to rename photos to this pattern based on EXIF info. Works pretty well (just ensure the time is set correct).

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