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DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

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Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

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> brain damage Surely that's a feature, not a bug, when the police have to deal with civil rights protesters. Recall the dogs, batons, and water cannons of the south.

They used water cannons on people in Standing Rock in some seriously cold temperatures just last year.

And dogs on protestors in Ferguson in the hours after the police shooting of Michael Brown.

Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

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becoming? It's been this way for a very long time. Very few major media outlets cover the Democrat/Republican National Conventions, but you can watch videos online of the protests from past years going back quite a bit. Rage Against the Machine use to do protests at both the DNC and RNC which I thought was hilarious. It's very common for protesters to be smoke bombed, herded, arrested and detained. There are several…

> Trump coined the term "fake news" Trump did not, in fact, coin the term “fake news”.

Didn't it mean satire, like the Daily Show and the Onion, before?

Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

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High power directed ultrasound can potentially cause brain damage from induced mechanical strain in brain tissue. I feel like parametric ultrasonic speakers should be more stringently regulated before every single police department starts using them as if they were regular loudspeakers. I support requiring something akin to an amateur radio license to operate high powered parametric ultrasonic speakers.

With the incident in Cuba I would think we would be a bit more reluctant to use such devices on civilians.

Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

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I support them not being allowed ever. But just like the totally ineffective body scanners at airports, too much money has been sunk in for officers not to use them. No one actually cares about the sunk cost fallacy.

Quite right. Israel's El Al simply profiles everyone that flies and by doing so they obviate the need to use stupid, expensive equipment that does nothing other than bottleneck airports and cause frustration. The Israelis are the best in the world at what they do regarding air security. The West has considered using the same techniques and they likely should. I'm not opposed to profiling if the person fits the profil…

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Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

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Before I'm willing to condemn this I'd want to know a lot more about how it was actually used. Was it used as a weapon or simply as an available bullhorn or announcement/PA system? I don't recall any press at the time about serious crowd control problems or the "weapon" use of LRADs, and a quick bit of searching now also doesn't show anything like that.

Even the article notes "military grade versions that can send voice communications up to 5.5 miles away, and slightly less powerful versions like the LRAD 500X or 300X which are what police departments generally use." A less powerful system that can send voice communications sounds an awful lot like a PA system to me. Given the described use "to assist in instructing the crowd flows on continuing to flow away from the entrances of the stations" that also sounds like a PA system.

This sounds like a lot of sensationalism on something pretty mundane.

Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

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It’ll take some high dollar lawsuits getting paid out before any regulation around these will happen.

Ah, one of the remaining only ways "doing the right thing" ever gets done in the States these days. Why can countries like South Korea, Taiwan or Japan provide public services like roads, internet infrastructure, police and healthcare at an incredibly small fraction of the cost that is lightyeaes ahead in quality and competency (for the 99%)?

Path dependence? US went a bit too far in the "individual liberty" direction, and it now can't get out of the mess. In principle, things could be fixed, but good luck getting enough lawyer mass on this.

Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

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> I feel like people don't realize the corruption is pretty equal between both candidates/parties So what? Even if one accepts the unimaginative premise that all politicians are equally corrupt, there are very clear differences in the policies they enact, so it is a rational decision to make discerning choices between them; the implied suggestion that it's all a wash is very obviously incorrect.

If you look at the primary abuses of the plutocracy in the States (ie War Complex, Wall Street & Central Bankkng, psrticulsr kinds of constitutional abuses) there is little difference. For example, Goldman Sachs wins with unelected powerful positions after every election(1). Obama was anti war and said he would protect whistle blowers, but prosecuted more whistle blowers than any president in history, and dropped ove…

> You can't tell me any rhetoric coming from our last presidents has much of anything to do with what really matters in the world

Without delving into the subjective can of worms that underpins "what really matters in the world", none of what you said refutes the fact that it is still rational to make choices since those choices have consequences that matter to citizens. There are other things going on in the world besides whatever it is you believe "really matters", but you're free to abstain from the political process until the time comes when nations stop fighting wars.

Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

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becoming? It's been this way for a very long time. Very few major media outlets cover the Democrat/Republican National Conventions, but you can watch videos online of the protests from past years going back quite a bit. Rage Against the Machine use to do protests at both the DNC and RNC which I thought was hilarious. It's very common for protesters to be smoke bombed, herded, arrested and detained. There are several…

> Trump coined the term "fake news" Trump did not, in fact, coin the term “fake news”.

Maybe, but the point is right - "fake news" isn't a new thing, it's just a new name for "only slightly more bullshit than what's on national newspapers and television".

Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

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It’ll take some high dollar lawsuits getting paid out before any regulation around these will happen.

Ah, one of the remaining only ways "doing the right thing" ever gets done in the States these days. Why can countries like South Korea, Taiwan or Japan provide public services like roads, internet infrastructure, police and healthcare at an incredibly small fraction of the cost that is lightyeaes ahead in quality and competency (for the 99%)?

These countries all have at least 10x the population density of the US. I'm not sure about healthcare, but the rest of your list gets cheaper as population density increases.

Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

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When the crowd is large enough to show up at the polls and get more votes for the candidate of their choice than anybody else. This is a democracy.

> When the crowd is large enough to show up at the polls and get more votes for the candidate of their choice than anybody else. This is a democracy. This is a strong indictment of political science education in this country. First of all, you need to understand that the policy preferences of the voting constituency in any given national election are not strongly correlated to policy results. This is shown convincing…

You don't get to create a mob and send it wherever you want. If you want to change the police, you can either vote or start a civil war.
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