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An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by on_and_off »

gressquel wrote: post #3

An attempt by Google to take over the Adblocking market and thus maintain their own whitelist which will obviously not block Adsense ads. I have already moved over to firefox

I might be the only one here but I have been waiting for a long time for something similar to what Google is attempting to do here.

I don't want to block ALL ads. Only the annoying ones (mostly popup and popunder).

I am ok with being displayed ads by defaults for the sites I consult (especially the ones I like) since it is an acceptable form of micropayment (I should mention that I don't see ads no youtube since I pay for play music).

Sadly, such a selective ad blocking takes time to setup and maintain and with the extensions I always end up realizing that I have been blocking ads on one of my favorite sites for months.

Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by ovao »

secret_island wrote: post #2

There are no "better" ads. The only good ads are the ones I cannot see. My computer, my rules. Lately now blocking coin mining in addition to all ads, trackers, beacons, pixels, etc. I have the right to surf on my terms. Traffic to websites is a cost of doing business; don't try to recoup in ways that I never agreed to (mining), selling my data w/o my permissions, etc. You have to love the tripe in the article: "Bett…

Would it make any difference to you if a site notified you that they monetize with ads before they display content?

Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by pishpash »

phil248 wrote: post #40

At this point, I'm dealing with so many pop-ups asking me to turn off my ad-blocker that the original purpose of the ad-blocker (don't bother me) is becoming moot. If this effort by Google can somehow raise the quality of online ads from horrendous to just terrible, I'll reluctantly support it.

What happened to ad block blocker blockers?

Also it was bound to happen, ad blocker/privacy co.'s selling out to block ad blockers/sell personal info, drawing from a very typical criminal enterprise behavioral pattern.

Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by secret_island »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #38
secret_island wrote: post #2

There are no "better" ads. The only good ads are the ones I cannot see. My computer, my rules. Lately now blocking coin mining in addition to all ads, trackers, beacons, pixels, etc. I have the right to surf on my terms. Traffic to websites is a cost of doing business; don't try to recoup in ways that I never agreed to (mining), selling my data w/o my permissions, etc. You have to love the tripe in the article: "Bett…

I'm sad to see you downvoted into the grey. >My computer, my rules. This is really the only thing that matters. Ads are not a working model for monetization on the web for this reason, and this is non-negotiable . Ads are a non-starter. It's as simple as that. If anyone can't find a different way to support their content, then the web is better off without them. "Better ads" is putting lipstick on a pig - I'd sooner…

Thank you for your comments. You are right. What with the now ultra-cheap Amazon and Google in-home devices, it's increasingly difficult to have a "safe" space. Like you, I will not invite this nonsense into my home. I don't use Siri, won't use any Google product, and I don't have any iot devices other than my iPhone, and I don't use non-Apple apps.

I use OpenBSD and Fedora Linux for the majority of my work and I heavily filter my personal and work connections. Being I run the firewall at work, I took the liberty of blocking all advertising connections to our buildings to save on bandwidth. My boss was thrilled to learn this could be done.

People are horrified to learn that I, an IT veteran of now 20 years have the attitude I do towards technology. It seems everyday there is a new startup offering the same old dreck that all of them seem to offer--ways to divest you of your privacy, freedoms, etc. I never bite. I stick with the minimalism I always have.

Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by dedalus »

phil248 wrote: post #40

At this point, I'm dealing with so many pop-ups asking me to turn off my ad-blocker that the original purpose of the ad-blocker (don't bother me) is becoming moot. If this effort by Google can somehow raise the quality of online ads from horrendous to just terrible, I'll reluctantly support it.

>If this effort by Google can somehow raise the quality of online ads from horrendous to just terrible, I'll reluctantly support it

I think the rationale for this move is to stem the growth of adblockers rather than anything else. Google Chrome on Mobile does not allow any extension so thats safe for their monetization. Its only on desktop which is dwindling and they are using this opportunity to make sure this is contained

Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by kodablah »

on_and_off wrote: post #41
gressquel wrote: post #3

An attempt by Google to take over the Adblocking market and thus maintain their own whitelist which will obviously not block Adsense ads. I have already moved over to firefox

I might be the only one here but I have been waiting for a long time for something similar to what Google is attempting to do here. I don't want to block ALL ads. Only the annoying ones (mostly popup and popunder). I am ok with being displayed ads by defaults for the sites I consult (especially the ones I like) since it is an acceptable form of micropayment (I should mention that I don't see ads no youtube since I pa…

I'm confused. You used an example of not realizing you were blocking ads from a site to support a less transparent blocking approach? Why can't you just take the list from this better-ads program and use it in your extension? (And if you can't, think about why you can't)

I can't figure out whether your problem is with the current crop of extensions or the filter lists. Regardless of which it is, I'm not sure your concerns will be alleviated by unnecessarily-built-in, likely non-extensible, likely non-customizable blocker using an opaque set of filters.

Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by dedalus »

phil248 wrote: post #40

At this point, I'm dealing with so many pop-ups asking me to turn off my ad-blocker that the original purpose of the ad-blocker (don't bother me) is becoming moot. If this effort by Google can somehow raise the quality of online ads from horrendous to just terrible, I'll reluctantly support it.

>At this point, I'm dealing with so many pop-ups asking me to turn off my ad-blocker that the original purpose of the ad-blocker (don't bother me) is becoming moot.

Use this specific list in your adblocker to subvert those messages: https://github.com/reek/anti-adblock-killer/blob/master/anti...

Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by namelost »

on_and_off wrote: post #41
gressquel wrote: post #3

An attempt by Google to take over the Adblocking market and thus maintain their own whitelist which will obviously not block Adsense ads. I have already moved over to firefox

I might be the only one here but I have been waiting for a long time for something similar to what Google is attempting to do here. I don't want to block ALL ads. Only the annoying ones (mostly popup and popunder). I am ok with being displayed ads by defaults for the sites I consult (especially the ones I like) since it is an acceptable form of micropayment (I should mention that I don't see ads no youtube since I pa…

No matter how benign an ad looks, it is probably still loading a ton of javascript from dubious places. Ads are a perfect distribution system for malware, and the best strategy is to just disable the whole thing as comprehensively as possible.

I'd rather my favourite website goes offline than my bank account gets hacked.

Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by jacques_chester »

ivanbakel wrote: post #13
Dylan16807 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> maintain their own whitelist which will obviously not block Adsense ads You make this sound like some kind of trick. The stated goal is to block especially obnoxious ads, of the kind adsense doesn't do. I can't say if it's going to be fair or not, but the way it treads adsense specifically isn't going to be the deciding factor.

>The stated goal is to block especially obnoxious ads, of the kind adsense doesn't do. Either way you think the relation goes probably depends on your opinion of Google, but I would take this as thinking backwards. Google has lots of interest in preventing Adsense from being blocked as part of some broad-stroke policy, so everything they do as part of their adblocking policy has that in mind - wherever users prefer t…

Put another way, this is an example of standard Google strategy: defend and control the approaches to the advertising river of gold.

Chrome was itself just such an investment. By controlling a major browser (eventually, the dominant browser), they can prevent Mozilla or Microsoft from cutting them out.

Now they want to prevent the increasing pool of ad blockers from freezing out adsense. Happily for Google, this means that advertisers will prioritise advertising through them, as they will only be guaranteed to show up in Chrome if they use adsense.

Their next step will be to bundle Contributor with Chrome. Again, by happy coincidence, this blocks out anyone else from getting a good run at microsubscription. Last I checked, the design is intended to be revenue-neutral for Google.

Disclosure: I have been working on a business, Robojar, intended to remove advertising and bypass paywalls in exchange for microsubscriptions. Google have a very similar model in Contributor.

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