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An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by byte1918 »

throwaway613834 wrote: post #6
secret_island wrote: post #2

There are no "better" ads. The only good ads are the ones I cannot see. My computer, my rules. Lately now blocking coin mining in addition to all ads, trackers, beacons, pixels, etc. I have the right to surf on my terms. Traffic to websites is a cost of doing business; don't try to recoup in ways that I never agreed to (mining), selling my data w/o my permissions, etc. You have to love the tripe in the article: "Bett…

> My computer, my rules Or maybe their website, their rules? Otherwise this is like walking into a store and telling them to take off their ads, because your eyes, your rules.

I don't think the analogy stands. For example: If I walk into a shoe store I won't see ads for pain meds. I might see ads for special sales or maybe for a sibling store which doesn't sell shoes, but is under the same company. These kind of ads can bypass or are not even blocked by today's adblockers because they usually don't have to be served by an ad-network. And that's perfectly fine. The problem comes when ads are not relevant to your context and are shoved into your face. I would definitely complain if ads are shoved into my face in real life (please don't misunderstand, I am aware there are ads everywhere, assume the scenario where you walk into a shoe store or an apple store). It would also be easy to argue that showing irrelevant ads in your store is distracting and even bad for business.

Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by throwaway613834 »

byte1918 wrote: post #21
throwaway613834 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My computer, my rules Or maybe their website, their rules? Otherwise this is like walking into a store and telling them to take off their ads, because your eyes, your rules.

I don't think the analogy stands. For example: If I walk into a shoe store I won't see ads for pain meds. I might see ads for special sales or maybe for a sibling store which doesn't sell shoes, but is under the same company. These kind of ads can bypass or are not even blocked by today's adblockers because they usually don't have to be served by an ad-network. And that's perfectly fine. The problem comes when ads ar…

> The problem comes when ads are not relevant to your context and are shoved into your face.

That's not the problem the parent had:

>> There are no "better" ads. The only good ads are the ones I cannot see.

Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by NelsonMinar »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #5
gressquel wrote: post #3

An attempt by Google to take over the Adblocking market and thus maintain their own whitelist which will obviously not block Adsense ads. I have already moved over to firefox

> maintain their own whitelist which will obviously not block Adsense ads You make this sound like some kind of trick. The stated goal is to block especially obnoxious ads, of the kind adsense doesn't do. I can't say if it's going to be fair or not, but the way it treads adsense specifically isn't going to be the deciding factor.

Adsense ads may or may not be obnoxious, that's a matter of aesthetic preference. But they are definitely effective. Part of why I block ads is I don't want those commercial interests changing the way I think.

Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by saas_co_de »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #5
gressquel wrote: post #3

An attempt by Google to take over the Adblocking market and thus maintain their own whitelist which will obviously not block Adsense ads. I have already moved over to firefox

> maintain their own whitelist which will obviously not block Adsense ads You make this sound like some kind of trick. The stated goal is to block especially obnoxious ads, of the kind adsense doesn't do. I can't say if it's going to be fair or not, but the way it treads adsense specifically isn't going to be the deciding factor.

> You make this sound like some kind of trick

That is what it is

Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by byte1918 »

throwaway613834 wrote: post #22
byte1918 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the analogy stands. For example: If I walk into a shoe store I won't see ads for pain meds. I might see ads for special sales or maybe for a sibling store which doesn't sell shoes, but is under the same company. These kind of ads can bypass or are not even blocked by today's adblockers because they usually don't have to be served by an ad-network. And that's perfectly fine. The problem comes when ads ar…

> The problem comes when ads are not relevant to your context and are shoved into your face. That's not the problem the parent had: >> There are no "better" ads. The only good ads are the ones I cannot see.

My apologies, you quoted just the part with

> My computer, my rules

So my reply was mostly about the store analogy.

Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by asgioiobuio »

throwaway613834 wrote: post #6
secret_island wrote: post #2

There are no "better" ads. The only good ads are the ones I cannot see. My computer, my rules. Lately now blocking coin mining in addition to all ads, trackers, beacons, pixels, etc. I have the right to surf on my terms. Traffic to websites is a cost of doing business; don't try to recoup in ways that I never agreed to (mining), selling my data w/o my permissions, etc. You have to love the tripe in the article: "Bett…

> My computer, my rules Or maybe their website, their rules? Otherwise this is like walking into a store and telling them to take off their ads, because your eyes, your rules.

Terrible analogy. It's like me putting my hand in front of my eyes to block out the view.

They don't have to serve me content. But since they do, I can view it however I wish.

Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by Kylekramer »

revelation wrote: post #19

I'm not a lawyer, but it just seems like the biggest online ad peddler of the world blocking ads of exclusively it's competitors in his preinstalled browser on the most widely used mobile platform in the world is a recipe for a blockbuster anti-trust sanction.

I'm sure Google's employees who can say I am a lawyer reviewed this.

They've been paying Ad Block Plus to do this for years. Bringing it in house can't change the legality much.

Re: An update on Better Ads (Chrome native ad-blocking)

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Post by throwaway613834 »

byte1918 wrote: post #25
throwaway613834 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem comes when ads are not relevant to your context and are shoved into your face. That's not the problem the parent had: >> There are no "better" ads. The only good ads are the ones I cannot see.

My apologies, you quoted just the part with > My computer, my rules So my reply was mostly about the store analogy.

I see. Well, there's not enough information in the mere phrase "my computer, my rules" to come up with an analogy (or even a reply). If this was about my friend using my computer without permission, the statement would well be an apt one. It's definitely worth looking into the context & main ideas of whatever people are replying to, not the mere tiny parts they quote!
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