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California's hidden homeless: workers living in cars due to property prices

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Re: California's hidden homeless: workers living in cars due to property prices

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I've come to the sad realization that Holywood/Silicon Valley liberal ideology is a significant enabler of inequality and wealth stratification. They'd rather have people living out of cars and tents than being paid reasonable wages or having affordable housing. Can't wait until their latest amendment passes[0] in California. [0] https://ballotpedia.org/California_No_Taxes_After_Age_55_Ini...

>No taxes above the age of 55.

Lol, is this a joke?

Re: California's hidden homeless: workers living in cars due to property prices

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Serious question not addressed in the article: Why don't they move out of California?

Many do, obviously. But from a societal perspective, why should they have to? California is doing well economically, particularly the bay area. In a time where the country seems short for good jobs, shouldn't we be pushing as hard as possible to let people move into and stay in areas that are successful?

Not to mention that presumably if all the teachers, chefs, and nurses are driven out of California their absence will be a problem for the remaining Californians.

Re: California's hidden homeless: workers living in cars due to property prices

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might be a solution for them , but it is not a solution for us and our society. If the cost-of-living-adjusted wages aren't high enough to give the providers of such essential services housing, then that's a problem we need to fix regardless.

Cost of living wage is a bit of a misnomer

Why a misnomer?

Re: California's hidden homeless: workers living in cars due to property prices

#34

Is there no way, to just take a normal residential building, tear everything down inside except for the exterior walls and fill it with japanese sleep coffins? Even if zoning laws would forbid this- life should find a way as they say.

That's a great idea, but please not in my neighborhood.

Why not?

Re: California's hidden homeless: workers living in cars due to property prices

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Serious question not addressed in the article: Why don't they move out of California?

A deeper question would be: Are we part of our environment and ought we sometimes fight to keep our location not just our social position if that is a strong feeling for us? It is possible some people belong where they are and relocation is a compromise for the weak at heart. ( I say this while also living in the epicenter of the Hepatitis A outbreaks, Downtown San Diego, California; I am surrounded by listless vagra…

Other ways of putting this:

* How is home more than a commodity (housing) for a person?

* What socialized costs occur when individuals and therefore their social/economic networks are disrupted by changes to cost of living?

Re: California's hidden homeless: workers living in cars due to property prices

#37

I've come to the sad realization that Holywood/Silicon Valley liberal ideology is a significant enabler of inequality and wealth stratification. They'd rather have people living out of cars and tents than being paid reasonable wages or having affordable housing. Can't wait until their latest amendment passes[0] in California. [0] https://ballotpedia.org/California_No_Taxes_After_Age_55_Ini...

What do you mean by "liberal"?

For e.g. neither Hollywood/Silicon Valley are "economically leftist"---they would be considered "liberal" in Europe, where "liberal" refers to "economically liberal", i.e. policies similar to "laissez faire" (which seems about right for Hollywood/SV).

On the other hand, they are also supportive of "progressive norms", such as "LGBTQ rights" or "multiculturalism", which are often bunched up together with being "liberal" in the US. However, being "socially liberal" is very different from being "economically liberal", and I am not sure there is any tight correlation between the two, let alone causative influence. In Europe, for example, there is a tight anti-correlation between the two.

So, what do you mean by "liberal ideology is a significant enabler of inequality"? Do you mean that "less liberal economic policies", or in other words "socialist economic policies" might benefit the region? Or do you mean that "socially liberal ideals" (which are essentially about caring for others, because you lack the belief that people are born where they are meant to be) have allowed for inequality?

Re: California's hidden homeless: workers living in cars due to property prices

#39

I had a friend who decided to live in his Ford Explorer in San Diego rather than pay rent.... Then he flipped his Explorer on the freeway going like 70 mph. He survived unscratched but his SUV was totaled. Fortunately for him, he was able to move in with his mom and stepdad (who he hated) but if he was anybody else and he didn't have family in the area he would have been completely homeless...

It sucks that happened, but it's hard to conjure the same sympathy.

He made choices - "live in car, rather than pay rent" - what happened to all the money he saved by doing so? Wasn't able to buy a new car? Or spent it?

Re: California's hidden homeless: workers living in cars due to property prices

#40

How did the labor and housing markets get so dramatically out of sync?

Extremely simplified: residents use democracy (in the form of zoning regulations) to vote out people they don't like. This effectively forbids the construction of affordable housing.

The demand is there, but the supply is not allowed to meet it.

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