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Re: Cities with Uber Have Lower Rates of Ambulance Usage

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It’s incredibly old tech and costs you maybe $5 in most countries.

I'm constantly surprised by costs for x-rays in the US too. It probably has more to do with the cost of labour, but even so, it's quite outrageous.

Also, they actually email the x-rays to a different hospital where the cost of radiologist labor is highest. Happened to me.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s incredibly old tech and costs you maybe $5 in most countries.

I'm constantly surprised by costs for x-rays in the US too. It probably has more to do with the cost of labour, but even so, it's quite outrageous.

Healthcare in the US is so bogged down by regulation, standards, certification, etc, that there's really no room for competition. You have to buy the X-ray machine that's 40x overpriced. You have to use the software that's 200x overpriced. You have to hire the guy with 8 years of schooling.

American healthcare could be a lot better if we just allowed more breathing room for competition

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I injured myself and needed to go to the ER. The injury wasn't life threatening, but I definitely needed to go to the hospital immediately. I called an Uber. I don't have the time or expertise to do the months of legalese and calculus it would take me to understand my insurance policy, so I have no idea how much an ambulance ride would have cost me. $0? $400? $15000? None of those numbers would surprise me. As best I…

This is all coming from a hardcore capitalist, so know that going in: Health Insurance, as a concept, is disgusting. You "Insure" property. You "Insure" specifically against loss of that property, and the cost of insurance is determined (forgetting an awful lot of math, but the basics are) by: The value of the property in question, the amount of payout required to replace said property in the case of full loss, put u…

I completely agree, but I don't think it's a winnable fight. I think it's so big and so entangled with everything that the only thing that could ever pry it loose is some kind of fundamentally transformative event that results in the complete dissolution of our entire economy and/or nation.

Trying to make any progress through typical political avenues is hopeless. You're casting your vote into an ocean of voters that don't even see health insurance as a financial product, they see it as healthcare itself.

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They (uber/lyft) work well for my dog emergencies too.

Drivers don't have issues with an uninvited dog passenger? As a dog owner, I find this surprising. But if drivers are OK with it it would be a great option for me because I don't own a car.

I've taken my cats (in their carriers) to the ER on Uber several times. Generally, they don't have any issues and are quite empathic to the situation.

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How is Uber any different than taking a taxi to the hospital?

If Uber says 5 minutes, it might be 7, or even possibly 15 if things go very, very wrong. Heck, if it's gonna be 15 you know this ahead of time because you can see the driver making wrong turns.

If you call a taxi service, and they say "15 minutes," it could be 30, 45, or 60. Maybe they're mussing with the truth, maybe they're outright lying. You don't know, and without the map showing the driver, you have no way of knowing.

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A relevant personal anecdote - I hit my head earlier this year and gave myself a concussion, but did not realize it at the time. The next day, I began experiencing severe headaches, sensitivity to noise, sensitivity to light, etc. and decided to go to a hospital. I called an Uber. I'm not sure what I would have done without Uber. I guess I could call a cab, but I don't know that I would have wanted my ride to the hos…

> my ride to the hospital to be 30 minutes late, to refuse to turn the music down, and to tell me the credit card reader is broken As much as I'd like to stick it to taxis because of their decades of price gouging due to being granted a monopoly, I have not had many bad experiences riding a taxi. If I had to put a number on it, I'd say that less than 5% of my taxi rides were in any way unpleasant other than for the c…

This really depends on where you live. Harassing and other similar situations are very common in Taxis where I live, while Uber drivers seem to be well-behaved.

None of my female friends dare get into a Taxi due to, well, harassment, (some have stories of groping, attempted rapes, etc.). Generally, they'd only take a taxi in groups, or walk. Uber seems to be working well in that regard (at least for now).

Re: Cities with Uber Have Lower Rates of Ambulance Usage

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I injured myself and needed to go to the ER. The injury wasn't life threatening, but I definitely needed to go to the hospital immediately. I called an Uber. I don't have the time or expertise to do the months of legalese and calculus it would take me to understand my insurance policy, so I have no idea how much an ambulance ride would have cost me. $0? $400? $15000? None of those numbers would surprise me. As best I…

The system works fairly well if you are poor too. I know several people who have walked into and out of the hospital without paying a dime. It really seems like the middle class gets the raw end of the deal.

Can confirm it works fairly well for the poor. I have been registered for Medicaid the past three years of school and have not had to used it until this year. Every single time I use my insurance (CareSource) I am absolutely blown away by how painless it is. Other than presenting proof of coverage twice in a series of multiple hospital and doctor's visits I have not had to worry about insurance for a single moment. At one point my physician was ordering lab work and kept asking if I wanted any additional lab work of my choosing and this just seemed absurd because on private insurance I would never consider lab work to be discretionary.

Re: Cities with Uber Have Lower Rates of Ambulance Usage

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I injured myself and needed to go to the ER. The injury wasn't life threatening, but I definitely needed to go to the hospital immediately. I called an Uber. I don't have the time or expertise to do the months of legalese and calculus it would take me to understand my insurance policy, so I have no idea how much an ambulance ride would have cost me. $0? $400? $15000? None of those numbers would surprise me. As best I…

This is all coming from a hardcore capitalist, so know that going in: Health Insurance, as a concept, is disgusting. You "Insure" property. You "Insure" specifically against loss of that property, and the cost of insurance is determined (forgetting an awful lot of math, but the basics are) by: The value of the property in question, the amount of payout required to replace said property in the case of full loss, put u…

I've always had this same objection. I prefer to think of it as a "health plan" rather than "insurance". You can't "insure" someone's health (well, ok, you can, but it's a case of "I don't think this word means what you think it means"). You can merely create a structure where people pool their money on a large enough scale such that it's affordable to fix a person when they break in most (if not all) of the myriad ways they can break.

That's similar to insurance in some ways, but isn't in one crucial way: you generally don't know the "repair" cost up-front; the repair is done, and then you get the bill. If you insure your car against damage up to $50k, you get an estimate when it gets damaged, and ask the insurance company for approval for that amount before the work is done. If the insurance company disagrees on cost, you can find another auto shop that agrees with the insurance company's cost, choose to bear the difference in cost yourself, or decide to forego the repair entirely. You can't do any of that when it comes to healthcare.

> The cost to repair you in our current system could also be infinite, given the numerous and terrible things that can happen to a person with literally no fault of their own. By the same token, the odds of you needing that payout are also damn near incalculable; every place you go, every activity you engage in from skydiving to eating turtle soup in Mexico all have a probability of killing you.

This isn't entirely true though, or, rather, it doesn't matter. Health "insurance" companies have a ton of data that allows them to predict pretty well how much it will cost to fix people when they break, in the ways that they usually break. They collect premiums based on that data and are doing a pretty decent job of not going bankrupt while actually fixing people, even outliers who fall outside of the "usually break" range. (Yes, I know, that's certainly debatable; they're dicks and deny coverage for things they should absolutely cover, and that helps with their bottom line; in principle, however they can afford to cover everything that medical science can perform and still stay afloat.)

> Then hospitals must be instructed to destroy their chargemasters and go back to charging for services at reasonable rates. After that, everything else should more or less be solved.

The problem here is that "reasonable" means different things to different people, and for some procedures, even if the price were dropped down to "at cost" (if that's even a calculable thing), you'd still have people who couldn't afford it. Health care itself isn't free. It costs money to develop medicines. It costs money to train doctors. Those doctors, once trained, need to make a living. It costs money to run hospitals and private practices. Someone needs to bear this cost.

So you still have the same problem of inherently deciding that the life of a rich person is worth more than the life of a poor person; in some cases the rich person can afford to get healed, while the poor person can't and dies (or lives, but goes into crippling debt or bankruptcy to do so). I agree that healthcare costs in the US are out of control, but even if you fix that problem, you still need some system in place to ensure everyone gets the care they need, regardless of their financial situation. (That is, of course, if you believe health care should be a basic right. If you don't, then we're not going to have a productive discussion.)

I think the concept of a pooled health plan is fine; just payments into it need to be dependent on means, and payments of $0 don't disqualify you from coverage. The person who can't afford to pay into it gets the same treatment that everyone else gets. I don't care how we achieve that, whether it's government-single-payer, or something similar to what we have now, just with price controls and government subsidies/credits for those who are unable to pay.

Absolutely agree that the current corrupt health "insurance" industry needs to go, though.

Re: Cities with Uber Have Lower Rates of Ambulance Usage

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If you don't get bogged down in details of the service, I see this as generally net good. For many, ambulance rides are prohibitively expensive, and while I certainly wouldn't be cost-conscious taking an ambulance in the event of a seizure or heart attack, for something like a broken arm, or non-life-threatening ailment, an Uber/Lyft/Cab is a good alternative to trying to drive myself. Beyond that, I'd like to see st…

NYFD has about 220 ALS units (advanced / requiring a paramedic) and 550 BLS (basic transport, no drugs, etc) units per day. Reducing BLS calls via uber wouldn’t affect availability of ALS units for serious things, but would probably save money.

well people deciding between an ambulance or an uber aren't really qualified to make that decision so it wouldn't surprise me if a bunch of people who needs an ALS unit decide to take an uber.

Re: Cities with Uber Have Lower Rates of Ambulance Usage

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I injured myself and needed to go to the ER. The injury wasn't life threatening, but I definitely needed to go to the hospital immediately. I called an Uber. I don't have the time or expertise to do the months of legalese and calculus it would take me to understand my insurance policy, so I have no idea how much an ambulance ride would have cost me. $0? $400? $15000? None of those numbers would surprise me. As best I…

This is all coming from a hardcore capitalist, so know that going in: Health Insurance, as a concept, is disgusting. You "Insure" property. You "Insure" specifically against loss of that property, and the cost of insurance is determined (forgetting an awful lot of math, but the basics are) by: The value of the property in question, the amount of payout required to replace said property in the case of full loss, put u…

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