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Re: Lyft Self-Driving

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Post by ajmurmann »

bennettfeely wrote: post #68
TYPE_FASTER wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think self driving cars will increase safety, and decrease accidents. I've read that accidents contribute for 25% of traffic congestion that exists today, so self driving cars could have a noticeable impact on decreasing drive times.

The only noticable impact will be as you watch fellow human drivers speed past you on the road. Self-driving cars must follow the speed limit at all times. How can a company program a car to break the law?

Yes, that's such a massive issue. Ideally we would do away with simple speed limits and have more complex safety rules for self driving cars. Of course that won't happen for a very long time. Till then the issue you are describing will be infuriating to human drivers. Here in Oregon though everyone already is going below the speed limit, so I won't really care. As a passenger it also doesn't matter as much, since you at least can do other stuff now. I'm looking forward to the increased productivity while the car is driving itself.

Re: Lyft Self-Driving

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Post by hanbura »

em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #72

I recently read a couple (long) articles basically arguing that the simple answer to transportation woes is not about self-driving cars and hyperloops, but basic simple steps to make cities more pedestrian friendly and improvements to mass transit: http://www.kevinklinkenberg.com/blog/autonomous-vehicles-a-v... https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2017/12/what-elon-mus... So I tend to not get excited about Lyft/Ube…

High-density housing with shopping and offices in walking distance would be massive steps towards solving Americas transportation problem. But this goes against the current US culture, so I'm not holding my breath.

Better public transit is also great, but that's also hard to deliver in low-density suburbia.

I agree that autonomous vehicles and Uber/Lift won't make travel times shorter. But they might help make the trip better because you can use the time better despite being in a car.

Re: Lyft Self-Driving

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Post by iancarroll »

bennettfeely wrote: post #68
TYPE_FASTER wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think self driving cars will increase safety, and decrease accidents. I've read that accidents contribute for 25% of traffic congestion that exists today, so self driving cars could have a noticeable impact on decreasing drive times.

The only noticable impact will be as you watch fellow human drivers speed past you on the road. Self-driving cars must follow the speed limit at all times. How can a company program a car to break the law?

Tesla seems to have no problem letting people speed with Autopilot, within reason.

Re: Lyft Self-Driving

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Post by jsjohnst »

twelve40 wrote: post #67
melvinmt wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This really is the endgame for both Uber and Lyft. I believe so too, but from a slightly different angle: I believe self-driving vehicles will literally mean the end for both Uber & Lyft (and they only accelerate their fate by investing into it). To understand why: their inherent value is their ability to match human drivers with customers. They both do such a good job at it, that the switching costs between the 2…

Uber owns their maps.

This seems to prove otherwise: https://instagram.com/p/BdJvxwmn2ri/

Side by side as of a few minutes ago.

Re: Lyft Self-Driving

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Post by hanbura »

andy_ppp wrote: post #80

Has anyone seen anything to suggest this will happen for sure in 10 years? I’m sure there will be improvements in safety with these features but there are basically zero AI demos out there that are what I’d call good. For example Siri and even Google Assistant quickly show how limited they are after years and years of real world use. If these rely on the same Deep Learning technology won’t it just be the same limits…

Why should driving be a harder problem then being a universal assistant (Siri's promise)?

Siri's potential problem field is huge, driving is a well defined, limited problem field.

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Post by alexbeloi »

andy_ppp wrote: post #80

Has anyone seen anything to suggest this will happen for sure in 10 years? I’m sure there will be improvements in safety with these features but there are basically zero AI demos out there that are what I’d call good. For example Siri and even Google Assistant quickly show how limited they are after years and years of real world use. If these rely on the same Deep Learning technology won’t it just be the same limits…

Siri/Alexa/GoogleAssist etc. work well in constrained situations (e.g. changing music, turning stuff on/off, pop culture quiz questions), they have trouble parsing more general/complex questions.

Many researchers I've talked to believe the initial self-driving car deployments to the public will be have to be very constrained: fixed routes, possibly isolated self-driving car lanes, only allowed in clear/daytime conditions.

Re: Lyft Self-Driving

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Post by Saaster »

bennettfeely wrote: post #68
TYPE_FASTER wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think self driving cars will increase safety, and decrease accidents. I've read that accidents contribute for 25% of traffic congestion that exists today, so self driving cars could have a noticeable impact on decreasing drive times.

The only noticable impact will be as you watch fellow human drivers speed past you on the road. Self-driving cars must follow the speed limit at all times. How can a company program a car to break the law?

Passengers won't care, they'll be busy playing with their phones or working. All that useless time spent driving is suddenly productive, as if you were in a nice private train car. If a car passes the train on the highway outside, do you even notice as a passenger?

I think following the laws and driving calmly is a great benefit. Never once I have thought, "I'm so happy that Uber driver drove like a maniac weaving between lanes, and got me to my destination all of 4 minutes earlier. Yay".

Re: Lyft Self-Driving

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Post by sandworm101 »

smt88 wrote: post #76
em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #72

I recently read a couple (long) articles basically arguing that the simple answer to transportation woes is not about self-driving cars and hyperloops, but basic simple steps to make cities more pedestrian friendly and improvements to mass transit: http://www.kevinklinkenberg.com/blog/autonomous-vehicles-a-v... https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2017/12/what-elon-mus... So I tend to not get excited about Lyft/Ube…

Walking and mass transit suck for people who are: traveling with kids, obese, disabled, short on time, carrying groceries, elderly, and/or in a place with bad weather. That's not even mentioning people who can't afford to live in dense, central urban environments. Self-driving, solar cars solve all problems of mass transit and are far cheaper, since they use existing roads.

And anyone with more than a handbag to carry. Many workers travel with tools. Im going to training next month and have to bring about 80lbs of various stuff with me. Hauling that in and out of busses, not to mention finding places to secure it while i sleep/eat, wouldnt be much fun. But it all fits in my car nicely. And no, i cannot send it by courier.

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Post by Robotbeat »

Pyxl101 wrote: post #78
nradov wrote: post #61

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The average is meaningless. New regional airline co-pilots barely earn enough to eat. Senior captains for major airlines are paid very, very well.

Why would that be? Is there a difference in competence significant enough to warrant such a difference in pay?

Consider that senior pilots are flying the biggest, most expensive planes with the most passengers and the most revenue. Even slight improvements in competency or safety look pretty good when you're talking about a 747 which costs the airline $400 million.

Re: Lyft Self-Driving

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Post by jaimex2 »

jsjohnst wrote: post #79
greentrust wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of data collected by your average Goog/Cruise/Uber autonomous vehicle is on the order of gigabytes per minute. I highly doubt Tesla is phoning home data at that level of detail.

Correct, but how many cars does Goog/Cruise/Uber have on the road daily collecting this high data rate? 1k? Let’s be overly optimistic and say 10k. Remember, normal driver driven cars don’t apply here generally, just the research cars. Tesla on the other hand has hundreds of thousands of cars on the road and is rapidly on their way to 1M cars. Data won’t be as raw and abundant, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t potentia…

Tesla's are currently sending back images of things they have trouble identifying only. They are ironing out the last % of edge cases it seems.

Not sure how close this puts them in the race.

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