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Before the Iron Age, Most Iron Came from Space

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Re: Before the Iron Age, Most Iron Came from Space

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I'm a bit confused. The article says that archaeologists thought that pre-Iron Age iron use came from isolated early development of iron ore smelting, because archaeologists did not believe Bronze Age people understood that meteorites were rocks that fell from the sky. So what? Iron meteorites differ from "normal" Earth rocks in several ways visually and they are denser [1]. All a Bonze Age group would need to learn…

I was confused too at first, but reading it the second time it seems the article is about a scientist trying to prove some of the earliest iron artifacts were made out of iron rocks from meteorites.

> “The main contribution of Jambon’s approach is that he has developed a method that allows us to test this hypothesis nondestructively,” says Martinón-Torres. Jambon was particularly interested in searching these artifacts for nickel, which is not found in smelted iron. By contrast, meteoritic iron is usually high in nickel and cobalt.

In the article, the author said archeologists:

> Humans didn’t really master the process and produce iron at a large scale until around 1200 B.C

and then she went to note

> Egyptian pharaoh Tutankhamun, who died in 1324 B.C., for example, was buried with an iron headrest....

> Egyptian hieroglyphics referred to iron as being “from the sky,”

So was headrest made out of an iron from a meteorite, or was it extracted from an ore on Earth (through smelting)?

Okay... that seems fair. But when was that Egytian reference made? Before 1200BC or before 1324BC?

To add more confusion, later in the article:

> It has been thought, for example, that the iron used by the Egyptians came from an early smelting industry in Anatolia, where the Hittites may have started to work iron as early as 1500 B.C.

To summarize based on my understanding:

1. Extracting iron from an ore did not happen at large scale until 1200BC

2. But some smelting started as early as 1500BC

3. Iron artifacts were recovered from pharaoh Tutankhamun who died in 1324BC had.

4. Numerous references to “falling from rhe sky” from numerous civilizations, including some “iron hunting” trading.

5. So were some of the early iron artifacts made out of iron meteorite or were they made out of an iron ore?

While the main objective seems “clear” to me, the whole article is too confusing and hard to follow through. If my summary is right, ugh, I advise everyone to writr the outline in bullet points.

(Incidentally, just noticed there’s a submission on writing essays on HN right now)

Re: Before the Iron Age, Most Iron Came from Space

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“And We also sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind…” (Quran 57:25) published in a book 1400 years old

Which in turn is over 1,200 years after a meteorite fall was described in the chronicle Ch'un-Ch'iu, traditionally considered to have been written by Confucius ( http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1994Metic..29..864Y ). Or about nearly 2,000 years after "a new term for iron [was] developed [in Egyptian] which literally translates as ‘iron from the sky’." ( http://www.ironfromthesky.org/?page_id=2 )

They found recently that Egyptians used metal from meteorites to make daggers for royalty.

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/02/africa/king-tut-dagger-me...

Re: Before the Iron Age, Most Iron Came from Space

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The metal of the gods, sent down from the heavens.

“And We also sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind…” (Quran 57:25) published in a book 1400 years old

people already knew how to smelt iron by that time.

Re: Before the Iron Age, Most Iron Came from Space

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which in turn is over 1,200 years after a meteorite fall was described in the chronicle Ch'un-Ch'iu, traditionally considered to have been written by Confucius ( http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1994Metic..29..864Y ). Or about nearly 2,000 years after "a new term for iron [was] developed [in Egyptian] which literally translates as ‘iron from the sky’." ( http://www.ironfromthesky.org/?page_id=2 )

They found recently that Egyptians used metal from meteorites to make daggers for royalty. https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/02/africa/king-tut-dagger-me...

The CNN article doesn't seem to add any more detail than was already present in the Atlas Obscura article. Both cite the same paper, which is http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/maps.12664/full .

AO has a better picture of the dagger, and mentions that the other two iron items in Tutankhamun's tomb were also likely of meteoric origin, and different meteors at that. The CNN article has an annoying auto-play video.

Re: Before the Iron Age, Most Iron Came from Space

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Anyone know why this was flagged?

Nope. More and more good articles are being flagged unfairly: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15991851 We don't have a vouch button to counter bad flags.

A vouch button appeared for me for this article (I did vouch for it, no idea why it would be flagged). It doesn't always show though for reasons I don't know.

Re: Before the Iron Age, Most Iron Came from Space

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post #14

Anyone know why this was flagged?

Nope. More and more good articles are being flagged unfairly: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15991851 We don't have a vouch button to counter bad flags.

I don't know if pointing to one of the many bitcoin/blockchain/ico submissions is a great example of an article being flagged unfairly. I can easily imagine there are people on the site who feel there are already plenty of such submissions every day with the same discussions rehashed over and over. I don't know why this particular submission was flagged but to come up with a plausible explanation for the one you linked to doesn't take much imagination.

If you do think something has been flagged unfairly, contact the mods. Depending on what they see, they may take action.

Re: Before the Iron Age, Most Iron Came from Space

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. More and more good articles are being flagged unfairly: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15991851 We don't have a vouch button to counter bad flags.

A vouch button appeared for me for this article (I did vouch for it, no idea why it would be flagged). It doesn't always show though for reasons I don't know.

As I understand it, vouch appears if it's [dead]. Under this assumption, this one was [flagged][dead], and your vouch removed the [dead] tag.

Re: Before the Iron Age, Most Iron Came from Space

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. More and more good articles are being flagged unfairly: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15991851 We don't have a vouch button to counter bad flags.

I don't know if pointing to one of the many bitcoin/blockchain/ico submissions is a great example of an article being flagged unfairly. I can easily imagine there are people on the site who feel there are already plenty of such submissions every day with the same discussions rehashed over and over. I don't know why this particular submission was flagged but to come up with a plausible explanation for the one you link…

Did you read it? It's thorough and substantive. Yes, it involves Bitcoin, but why equate topic fatigue with flagworthiness?
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