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Why hasn't economic progress lowered work hours more? (2016) [video]

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Re: Why hasn't economic progress lowered work hours more? (2016) [video]

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Because we are never satisfied with a stable standard of living; people want to live better than their parents did. Automation only decreases the need for labor if you hold standard of living constant.

This comment ignores the fact that wages have stagnated while productivity has skyrocketed.

Wages have stagnated but total compensation hasn’t. The cost of health insurance in the US has gone up a lot and most jobs have health insurance.

Re: Why hasn't economic progress lowered work hours more? (2016) [video]

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Promotions within a company are based on ranking employees. Even if not done explicitly, you still promote your top people.

Working more hours is a way to increase your rank. Thus it becomes an arms race between the employees. You work 40 hours, I increase to 45, then you increase to 50.

So, to some extent, hours worked don't correspond to hours needed to be worked for productivity purposes.

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Housing price increase just doesn't go to landlords. It goes to City and state coffers via tax. Chicago had two housing tax hikes in 2017, for example. Edit: Added links > For homeowners in Chicago, the average increase is 10 percent. https://rebootillinois.com/2017/06/13/big-property-tax-hike-... > Summary over past couple of decades https://d2dv7hze646xr.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015...

Confused by the downvotes here. In almost all of America (looking at you Cali) the property taxes are reassessed yearly to the value of the home. This is how we want it. The three blocks in every direction surrounding a middle school shouldn’t be populated by 80 year old retirees.

Property taxes are used to fund all sorts of stuff, like a default cookie jar, so to speak.

Chicago used hike this year to fund pensions

This graph is a good summary

https://d2dv7hze646xr.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015...

> Illinoisans’ residential property-tax burden – as a percentage of median household income – has risen 76 percent.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/reports/growing-out-of-contro...

Re: Why hasn't economic progress lowered work hours more? (2016) [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has been constant for almost half a century for the middle class, yet everyone is working more for the same not less. How exactly can you live better than your parents, assuming they had a house, a car or two, phones, TV, computers, access to supermarkets of all kinds, enough money for living expenses and a hobby or yearly vacation...

Go watch a sitcom from the 50s and compare it your surroundings. Hopefully you come to the conclusion that your standard of living is immensely greater than theirs was. If you are thinking of things like the cost of college don’t forget to factor in how many people go to college today versus back then. If you are thinking about the cost of housing, we still have the same land and a growing population. I’m city center…

In 50s sitcoms, you'll see people working union jobs with pensions. There are a lot fewer of those these days.

Even if material wealth has improved, economic insecurity is worse. People feel worse off as a result.

Re: Why hasn't economic progress lowered work hours more? (2016) [video]

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Inflation, taxes, and regulatory burden. Savings have been systematically eroded for 50+ years. Total taxation is now 40+% of GDP. Private sector workforce participation is dropping. Regulatory burden dramatically increases health care, housing, and transportation costs. All of these policies have worked to keep you in the office.

Total taxation is at 26% of GDP in the U.S., 34% in much of the rest of the developed world.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-do-us-taxes...

Re: Why hasn't economic progress lowered work hours more? (2016) [video]

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Because we are never satisfied with a stable standard of living; people want to live better than their parents did. Automation only decreases the need for labor if you hold standard of living constant.

It has been constant for almost half a century for the middle class, yet everyone is working more for the same not less. How exactly can you live better than your parents, assuming they had a house, a car or two, phones, TV, computers, access to supermarkets of all kinds, enough money for living expenses and a hobby or yearly vacation...

It's not that simple. Back in the 1950s, an 850 square foot home for a family of 4 was respectable middle class housing; today that wouldn't even be legal in some states, let alone socially considered "middle class". Standards of living are just incomparably higher today than 50 years ago

Re: Why hasn't economic progress lowered work hours more? (2016) [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go watch a sitcom from the 50s and compare it your surroundings. Hopefully you come to the conclusion that your standard of living is immensely greater than theirs was. If you are thinking of things like the cost of college don’t forget to factor in how many people go to college today versus back then. If you are thinking about the cost of housing, we still have the same land and a growing population. I’m city center…

In 50s sitcoms, you'll see people working union jobs with pensions. There are a lot fewer of those these days. Even if material wealth has improved, economic insecurity is worse. People feel worse off as a result.

Yea especially since your skills are technologically obsolete in a less than decade. Software engineering careers for example are uphill battle post 50, you better have your nest egg and kids college funds ready by then.

Re: Why hasn't economic progress lowered work hours more? (2016) [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has been constant for almost half a century for the middle class, yet everyone is working more for the same not less. How exactly can you live better than your parents, assuming they had a house, a car or two, phones, TV, computers, access to supermarkets of all kinds, enough money for living expenses and a hobby or yearly vacation...

Go watch a sitcom from the 50s and compare it your surroundings. Hopefully you come to the conclusion that your standard of living is immensely greater than theirs was. If you are thinking of things like the cost of college don’t forget to factor in how many people go to college today versus back then. If you are thinking about the cost of housing, we still have the same land and a growing population. I’m city center…

He was talking about his parent's quality of life -- go watch sitcoms from the 90s for that. I'm not sure how the 50s are relevant.
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