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Netflix: What Happens When You Press Play?

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Re: Netflix: What Happens When You Press Play?

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Post by tybit »

jedberg wrote: post #2

> I pulled this chapter together from dozens of sources that were at times somewhat contradictory. Facts on the ground change over time and depend who is telling the story and what audience they're addressing. You know old time journalists had a solution to this. Interviewing subjects with first hand knowledge. I know I rag on highscalability a lot, but I feel like they deserve it. They've written multiple articles a…

Which just goes to show how much of a market there is for easily digestible information in this space.

Netflix in particular seems to have some really interesting ideas hidden behind unclear blogs(at least for me personally) and long presentations I rarely have time to sit through, even though I often appreciate them when I do.

Re: Netflix: What Happens When You Press Play?

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Post by wz1000 »

madeofpalk wrote: post #16
wz1000 wrote: post #14

> Netflix has more than 110 million subscribers. > Netflix operates in more than 200 countries The five largest public torrent trackers track 30-50 million peers at any given time, serving over 10 million torrents. Torrents are estimated to have over a quarter of a billion active users. Torrents can be streamed, and in the end you have a DRM free copy of the file that you can rewatch at your pleasure, on any device(a…

> not to mention your hard earned money to nefarious corporate interests Yes, this is the basis of our society. I work for money to buy things, mostly from corporations. There's nothing nefarious about that. I find it really hard to believe that paying for content is unethical.

> There's nothing nefarious about that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/10/25...

A small example of the nefarious behaviour you support by paying for Netflix.

> Yes, this is the basis of our society. I work for money to buy things, mostly from corporations

Intellectual Property is by definition "non-excludable", which means my having access to some information does not exclude you from having access to the same information, unlike land or food or clothing. It is very different from these, and using your Government to violate the sovereignty of other nations and individuals to impose your warped up notions of property is deeply unethical.

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Post by madeofpalk »

wz1000 wrote: post #19
madeofpalk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not to mention your hard earned money to nefarious corporate interests Yes, this is the basis of our society. I work for money to buy things, mostly from corporations. There's nothing nefarious about that. I find it really hard to believe that paying for content is unethical.

> I find it really hard to believe that paying for content is unethical. Your money isn't going to the people who created the content. It is going to cartels that have no interests in common with you, and have massive lobbying power in order to force you to download malware and restrict the access of information from you.

Of course money goes to the creators. I have an actor friend who was in a 'Netflix Original'. He got paid for it. Sure, others are making profits on it but, again, that's not surprising. That's how our society works.

I wasn't 'lobbied' or forced to install 'malware'. I'm aware of what's going on (I too have heard of R.M.S.!) and I made a conscious decision to subscribe to such services.

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Post by synotna »

Walf wrote: post #13
synotna wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have the freedom to watch something else

And content creators have the freedom to choose where they distribute content, many of whom choose Netflix.

Correct, so passively aggressively complaining about DRM is a moot point

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Post by synotna »

wz1000 wrote: post #14

> Netflix has more than 110 million subscribers. > Netflix operates in more than 200 countries The five largest public torrent trackers track 30-50 million peers at any given time, serving over 10 million torrents. Torrents are estimated to have over a quarter of a billion active users. Torrents can be streamed, and in the end you have a DRM free copy of the file that you can rewatch at your pleasure, on any device(a…

How much money do those top 5 torrent trackers generate for the content creators?

How much money do the "cartels" generate for the content creators?

I believe the tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people involved in the production of the thousands of TV shows and movies earned much more money from those "cartels" than those torrent trackers

Re: Netflix: What Happens When You Press Play?

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Post by madeofpalk »

wz1000 wrote: post #22
madeofpalk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not to mention your hard earned money to nefarious corporate interests Yes, this is the basis of our society. I work for money to buy things, mostly from corporations. There's nothing nefarious about that. I find it really hard to believe that paying for content is unethical.

> There's nothing nefarious about that. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/10/25... A small example of the nefarious behaviour you support by paying for Netflix. > Yes, this is the basis of our society. I work for money to buy things, mostly from corporations Intellectual Property is by definition "non-excludable", which means my having access to some information does not exclude you from having a…

What?

Re: Netflix: What Happens When You Press Play?

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Post by klapinat0r »

madeofpalk wrote: post #26
wz1000 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's nothing nefarious about that. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/10/25... A small example of the nefarious behaviour you support by paying for Netflix. > Yes, this is the basis of our society. I work for money to buy things, mostly from corporations Intellectual Property is by definition "non-excludable", which means my having access to some information does not exclude you from having a…

What?

I think he meant to use exclusivity as a straw man to show that "IP is not food", instead of the more often misused: "not paying is not equal to stealing".

Both are obviously false, but I think that was the intend (argument by confusion?).

Re: Netflix: What Happens When You Press Play?

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Post by wz1000 »

synotna wrote: post #25
wz1000 wrote: post #14

> Netflix has more than 110 million subscribers. > Netflix operates in more than 200 countries The five largest public torrent trackers track 30-50 million peers at any given time, serving over 10 million torrents. Torrents are estimated to have over a quarter of a billion active users. Torrents can be streamed, and in the end you have a DRM free copy of the file that you can rewatch at your pleasure, on any device(a…

How much money do those top 5 torrent trackers generate for the content creators? How much money do the "cartels" generate for the content creators? I believe the tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people involved in the production of the thousands of TV shows and movies earned much more money from those "cartels" than those torrent trackers

The cartel is directly infringing on my freedom, with the use of the governments guns.

Many hundreds of thousands(if not millions or billions) of people are under compensated for the work they do, work which is much more valuable. Make a list of every volunteer open source developer, 12 year old working in a Bangladeshi sweatshop and stay at home mom. If you want to blame anything, blame capitalism. Funny how the reasoning gets inverted while discussing Intellectual Property. Suddenly, we need to threaten peaceful individuals with violence and imprisonment in order to make markets work and to ensure that resource allocation for un-excludable goods happens via capitalist forms. We go from "Capitalism is human nature" to "We must use guns to make sure peaceful actions don't disrupt capitalism from functioning" without a hint of irony or self awareness.

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Post by raverbashing »

wz1000 wrote: post #19
madeofpalk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not to mention your hard earned money to nefarious corporate interests Yes, this is the basis of our society. I work for money to buy things, mostly from corporations. There's nothing nefarious about that. I find it really hard to believe that paying for content is unethical.

> I find it really hard to believe that paying for content is unethical. Your money isn't going to the people who created the content. It is going to cartels that have no interests in common with you, and have massive lobbying power in order to force you to download malware and restrict the access of information from you.

> Your money isn't going to the people who created the content

Patently false and easily verifiable.

Re: Netflix: What Happens When You Press Play?

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Post by raverbashing »

wz1000 wrote: post #22
madeofpalk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not to mention your hard earned money to nefarious corporate interests Yes, this is the basis of our society. I work for money to buy things, mostly from corporations. There's nothing nefarious about that. I find it really hard to believe that paying for content is unethical.

> There's nothing nefarious about that. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/10/25... A small example of the nefarious behaviour you support by paying for Netflix. > Yes, this is the basis of our society. I work for money to buy things, mostly from corporations Intellectual Property is by definition "non-excludable", which means my having access to some information does not exclude you from having a…

So did Stallman finally start using a web browser?
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