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New company called Eelo will give you de-Google-ized Android for your privacy

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So, I’m sorry if I misunderstand: they’re taking LineageOS, installing it on preexisting devices they did not engineer, and are taking a rather large profit? They’re just reselling? Why can’t someone just do this themselves for significantly cheaper...

Development work and qa isn’t free. They are probably selling that one at a profit to help raise funding to get this off the ground.

It sounds like it will be open source for all though.

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Am I the only person who thinks Google specifically and the mobile app market in general combined with previously subsidized by carriers phones have completely destroyed the consumers perception of the value of software? It’s getting near impossible to find quality apps (even on iOS, but less so) available for a premium price, I have to constantly settle for IAPs to disable ads, or just free apps that are littered wi…

> Am I the only person who thinks Google specifically and the mobile app market in general combined with previously subsidized by carriers phones have completely destroyed the consumers perception of the value of software?

Not entirely fair to Google here.

No one would have purchased the original iPhone were it not heavily subsidized by AT&T. No one. One could argue that the same forces apply today regarding most phone purchasers.

> and god knows what else when if much rather just pay like $49 for a properly made application with a permanent license.

Except the numbers of downloads show that this approach isn't gaining traction. In fact, look at how many applications switched to a subscription model the moment Apple permitted it?

On the side of development, subscriptions make sense. Software development isn't a one-off fee to make software these days, as 99.995% of the people here realize.

Isn't subscription the only sustainable model?

Re: New company called Eelo will give you de-Google-ized Android for your privacy

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Am I the only person who thinks Google specifically and the mobile app market in general combined with previously subsidized by carriers phones have completely destroyed the consumers perception of the value of software? It’s getting near impossible to find quality apps (even on iOS, but less so) available for a premium price, I have to constantly settle for IAPs to disable ads, or just free apps that are littered wi…

One of the consequences of iOS was the drop in quality Mac apps (this may possibly be my perception. I wonder if others feel the same). It seems to me what started happening was indie Mac shops who would sell their apps for $20-80 had to now support an iOS app as well and could not charge much, if anything, for it. So it was just an additional cost to be supported by their Mac app.

Further, Apple released the Mac App Store and dropped the price of iWorks apps to $19.99 (or 9.99?) thereby reducing the perceived value of Mac apps as well. Pre MAS, when Apple included iWork and iLife for free with your Mac you looked at it as Apple throwing in several hundred dollars worth of software for free with the Mac. By changing the structure where you now downloaded those apps, they assigned a value to them that was really low affecting the entire eco system.

Considering the massive growth of the Mac eco system, that the state of Mac software is at best as good as it was 10 years ago with a much smaller market is disappointing.

Re: New company called Eelo will give you de-Google-ized Android for your privacy

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Am I the only person who thinks Google specifically and the mobile app market in general combined with previously subsidized by carriers phones have completely destroyed the consumers perception of the value of software? It’s getting near impossible to find quality apps (even on iOS, but less so) available for a premium price, I have to constantly settle for IAPs to disable ads, or just free apps that are littered wi…

It's not that there's too many free apps, it's that upgrades _have to_ be free.

Back in the day, when you bought MyProgramSuite v2, you got v2. You want v3, you pay for it, creating an incentive to develop a better v3, v4, etc.

Now, imagine if anyone who bought Word 1.0, 2.0 automatically got all future upgrades for free. What happens when the market saturates?

Re: New company called Eelo will give you de-Google-ized Android for your privacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, privacy is turning out to be quite the luxury.

See Zuckerberg buying the houses that surround his and building himself a massive walled-off privacy compound in Hawaii for examples. "Privacy is dead.. unless you're the one trying to destroy it"

Reminds me of this story where Zuckerberg's laptop is on a photo showing he uses tape on his iSight camera and audio jack. [1]

You can also read in the same article that he had 5 bodyguards whilst jogging in Berlin.

My point is: "Some precautions are expensive, some are cheap." Or, put more extensive: "Some precautions are out of reach for the masses, some are within reach." Although more factors than price define whether something is within reach for the masses, such as ease of use.

Your example is obviously (very) expensive, same with 5 bodyguards. That's reasonably expensive. Using tape on your laptop isn't though. That is cheap. Using cryptography or TorBrowser, for example, is also cheap.

[1] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3653442/Paranoid-lit...

Re: New company called Eelo will give you de-Google-ized Android for your privacy

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Am I the only person who thinks Google specifically and the mobile app market in general combined with previously subsidized by carriers phones have completely destroyed the consumers perception of the value of software? It’s getting near impossible to find quality apps (even on iOS, but less so) available for a premium price, I have to constantly settle for IAPs to disable ads, or just free apps that are littered wi…

It's not just mobile apps. Probably web apps, especially those with a freemium ad-supported model, and the mobile + web app rise at the expense of traditional desktop software, led to this.

Not to mention the ease of software piracy.

Re: New company called Eelo will give you de-Google-ized Android for your privacy

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So, I’m sorry if I misunderstand: they’re taking LineageOS, installing it on preexisting devices they did not engineer, and are taking a rather large profit? They’re just reselling? Why can’t someone just do this themselves for significantly cheaper...

I'd think most tech-able people would be able to; I've had Cyanogenmod on most of my Android phones, and it's been fairly straightforward to install. It's not too difficult to install LineageOS (on which this is based, the successor to CyanogenMod) on most phones - indeed there are step-by-step guides to do it which don't require too much skill to complete - and it's possible to run it without any of the Google Apps.…

i’m probably able to, but that doesn’t mean i want to... or that i want to spend the time to potentially brick my shiny new i/nexus/pixel

Re: New company called Eelo will give you de-Google-ized Android for your privacy

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Am I the only person who thinks Google specifically and the mobile app market in general combined with previously subsidized by carriers phones have completely destroyed the consumers perception of the value of software? It’s getting near impossible to find quality apps (even on iOS, but less so) available for a premium price, I have to constantly settle for IAPs to disable ads, or just free apps that are littered wi…

While I don't disagree with you, I'm not sure what the problem with "I have to constantly settle for IAPs to disable ads" is? It's basically a form of shareware at that point?

Re: New company called Eelo will give you de-Google-ized Android for your privacy

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Am I the only person who thinks Google specifically and the mobile app market in general combined with previously subsidized by carriers phones have completely destroyed the consumers perception of the value of software? It’s getting near impossible to find quality apps (even on iOS, but less so) available for a premium price, I have to constantly settle for IAPs to disable ads, or just free apps that are littered wi…

> Am I the only person who thinks Google specifically and the mobile app market in general combined with previously subsidized by carriers phones have completely destroyed the consumers perception of the value of software? Not entirely fair to Google here. No one would have purchased the original iPhone were it not heavily subsidized by AT&T. No one. One could argue that the same forces apply today regarding most pho…

"No one would have purchased the original iPhone were it not heavily subsidized by AT&T. No one."

The original iPhone was not subsidized by AT&T at all. It cost about $500, had lines of people waiting to buy it, and went on to sell about 6 million units, making it one of the best selling phones of it's time.

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