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Toilet Paper History: How America Convinced the World to Wipe (2009)

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Re: Toilet Paper History: How America Convinced the World to Wipe (2009)

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OK, if we are going to talk about toilet paper and its use...I'm reminded of a Q&A column at some gaming site about 15 years ago. Someone wrote in and said that he and his friends were talking after a LAN party, and somehow the question of which direction you wipe came up. He said that he was the only one in the group who went bottom to top (bottom up). Everyone else did top to bottom (top down), and told him he was a freak.

The columnist, after wondering why the hell this topic came up after their LAN party, admitted, if I recall correctly, to also going bottom up, and she asked around the office and found that something like 90 went top down.

I was totally surprised by this question. It never occurred to me that anyone would use the opposite direction from the one I use. The thing is, I have no idea why I go the way I do...presumably I was taught that when I was young enough to need assistance, so presumably I learned to use the same direction as my teachers, but that's before my earliest memories.

If the columnist's observation, and the original questioner's observation, and what I and a friend observed when we asked around at work, hold up, then it looks like there is a heavy skew toward top down.

So...how does bottom up persist? Unless there is some factor that tends to make bottom up people tend to marry other bottom up people, most bottom up people will marry to down people, and so most children of bottom people will be raised in a mixed direction household. So shouldn't half of them take after their top down parent, and so shouldn't the bottom up fraction be decreasing?

Or...maybe some people who themselves use top down find bottom up works better when they are teaching a young child, and that leads some children of top down households to end up bottom up?

There's probably some fascinating psychology research possibilities in this, but because we generally don't wipe in public or talk about it, it gets lost in the cracks.

Re: Toilet Paper History: How America Convinced the World to Wipe (2009)

#82
From reading through some of the comments I really have to ask, is wiping ones ass really that complicated?

Get some single ply (not the cheap shit in public bathrooms, which is often like 0.25 ply or whatever the fuck ... fucking wax paper or some shit), fold it sheet-over-sheet using 5 sheets (defined by the perforation) for the first wipe, use 4 or 5 sheets for the second wipe, then finish off with a third wipe at 4 sheets. A wipe is one iteration through the ass_wipe_process loop, which has 2-3 sub-wipes depending on how comfortable you feel folding in half the 4-5 sheet-over-sheet folded unit.

I'm a dude, so I wipe back to front the first few sub-wipes, with a front to back followed back a back to front mixed in there somewhere. The reason for this directionality has to do with the length of my anus hair, which depends on when I've groomed it. The longer the anus hair, the more likely a front to back sub-wipe will lead to anus hairs in the butthole, causing itching and irritation. For some reason this doesn't happen with the back to front sub-wipe, so that is mandatory after a front to back, in order to realign the anus hairs.

Pro-Tip: Only groom hair close to the anus, otherwise you might end up with an ass-cyst from sitting on a groomed region where the hair can't properly grow out due to the pressure from sitting. Generally there's less constipation after grooming as though the hairs themselves bind the anus closed or some shit.

I mean seriously, just fucking take this shit seriously and do it right so you don't end up with shit in your undies stinking up the place or spreading fecal matter all over the place, getting people sick.

Re: Toilet Paper History: How America Convinced the World to Wipe (2009)

#83

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I hate traveling outside Japan! Can't live without "shower toilets" (that's how they're called here). It's hardly a luxury. It's an essential household equipment! I feel like I'm going to barbarian lands when I leave Japan (for the sake of full disclosure, I'm not Japanese)

You could also just try using Baby wipes?

Or just soak ordinary toilet paper in water before using it. It's cheaper and doesn't congest the pipes.

Re: Toilet Paper History: How America Convinced the World to Wipe (2009)

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post #81

OK, if we are going to talk about toilet paper and its use...I'm reminded of a Q&A column at some gaming site about 15 years ago. Someone wrote in and said that he and his friends were talking after a LAN party, and somehow the question of which direction you wipe came up. He said that he was the only one in the group who went bottom to top (bottom up). Everyone else did top to bottom (top down), and told him he was…

An abundance of anus hairs in my case. Top to bottom (back to front) aligns the hairs in such a way that they don't end up stuck in the anus hole, which I've experienced leading to itching and irritation. However, at least one front to back (bottom to top?) is mandatory in the middle of the loop for increased cleanliness, as either the skin folds or anus hairs obscure some fecal matter that the top to bottom (back to front) directionality doesn't pick up.

Re: Toilet Paper History: How America Convinced the World to Wipe (2009)

#85
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It's a bad idea to flush those. They don't degrade, and end up blocking sewers and ruin septic systems.

There are flushable versions. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Huggies-Pull-Ups-Big-Kid-Flushabl...

Those are generally "flushable" in the same sense that gravel is flushable, i.e. they'll fit through the bottom of the toilet but no guarantees after that.

Re: Toilet Paper History: How America Convinced the World to Wipe (2009)

#86
post #78

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A0RHSJO/ref=oh_aui_deta... $35 and you can install it in about 5 minutes flat. It's terrific, can't go back to TP ever.

Honest question: How do you dry your butt afterwards? Do you keep a butt-towel next to the toilet? Shared or one per person?

At least in Japan, many toilets also have dryer system built-in along side the bidet. Others have toilet paper for drying off.

Re: Toilet Paper History: How America Convinced the World to Wipe (2009)

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You can wash your hands with a nice antibacterial soap. It's easy and very clean.

Isn't every soap antibacterial?

Yes, regular soap is as good as killing bacteria as anti-bacterial soap: https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20070817/plain-soap-...

Re: Toilet Paper History: How America Convinced the World to Wipe (2009)

#88
post #81

OK, if we are going to talk about toilet paper and its use...I'm reminded of a Q&A column at some gaming site about 15 years ago. Someone wrote in and said that he and his friends were talking after a LAN party, and somehow the question of which direction you wipe came up. He said that he was the only one in the group who went bottom to top (bottom up). Everyone else did top to bottom (top down), and told him he was…

As I understand it, for women front to back significantly reduces the likelihood of contracting a urinary tract infection.

Re: Toilet Paper History: How America Convinced the World to Wipe (2009)

#90
post #43

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(First off, let me just say how hilarious it is that no less than two people are actually downvoting me over a bidet comment. I eagerly await more.) If I had to, sure. You realize people did this successfully for like... always, right? Sure, detergent and water and abrasion works better, but bidets don't provide two of those three elements. What you're really wanting to compare is getting shit (just call it shit, OK?…

Water from a properly-functioning bidet certainly does provide water and water abrasion, since the pressure is far higher than an open pipe. In fact, if a bidet is activated full-blast without someone on it, it will typically reach the ceiling. Furthermore, almost all detergents will damage the anus, so that is not something desirable for this application; even those detergents that work for some people will cause ex…

> If one is willing to use their hand to provide abrasion, merely poured water enables far superior waste removal than toilet paper.

Trouble is, you then have excrement on your hand. So perhaps there is a trade off between having a clean butthole and a clean hand?

Another benefit of toilet paper is immediate feedback - you can wipe and inspect the paper, then repeat with clean paper until you are satisfied with the result. With poured water, how do you know when you are 'done'?

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