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Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

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> 5 years is a lot, many times the average. This is incorrect as a general statement . I have reviewed several hundred resumes over the last 2 years on which software developers stayed at a company between 4 and 6 years as the median. In the Bay area 4 years is often the vesting schedule for people's first stock option (and it can be the biggest one people get) and I think that contributes. When I see a resume with a…

As in you investigate why their employers couldn't retain their talent? The way employers view "job hoppers" says a lot about the work place culture, speaking from experience on both sides and both philosophies. (One philosophy solely faulting the employee, the other philosophy recognizing the current state of the industry)

I like to try to understand what someone is hoping to get out of their job. People have any number of reasons for working, from 'putting food on the table' to 'changing the world.' There are a lot of intermediate motivations as well.

I try to understand that because I have a fairly good idea what the job can offer and the extent to which the job can be tailored to help align it with the employee's goals.

I try not to generalize. I start with the thesis that someone who loves their job and that job is meeting all of their current personal goals, will stay working on it until one of those two things changes. In my experience that sort of change generally takes years not months.

When people go job to job to job, it can be simple like they are trying to ratchet their salary up faster than the typical 'annual' raise cycle. It can be complex like they are taking jobs that meet some requirement they have imposed on themselves but they don't actually like those sorts of jobs. Or it can be something else entirely. I'd like to understand what it is so that I can gauge whether or not the person is likely to stick around long enough to have an impact or not.

Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

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The noticeable career effect for me was (and is) severe job opportunities pool shrinkage. I can't mentally go back to 9-5 @office - that translates to ~95% of jobs off the table.

Amen to that. I can't stand the thought of commuting anymore after being 100% remote for nearly four years now. I've had recruiters contact me on LinkedIn, StackOverflow, etc. and summarily turned them down because the position wasn't remote.

I get to be home when my daughter comes back from preschool, make lunch in my own kitchen, and when I clock out for the day I can get right to spending time with my family. Unless I am absolutely in need of work RIGHT NOW I will not take another position that requires I go to an office, even 1 day a week.

Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

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> 5 years is a lot There must be something wrong in this industry if 5 years is a lot. 5 years per company over a 40 years time spam yields 8 different companies. That seems a lot to me.

I did some research with an old boss of mine and we found 2.5 years was the average based on the resumes we received. It's different now and specifically different than what it was in the 80's and 90's. I'm fortunate, I've been at my company for 13 years.

Did you just take the average? People with multiple 2 year stints will be over represented compared to the ones with 13 years since you're only sampling people looking for work (opposed to sampling all employees in the market).

Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

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This sounds like bliss to me. How did you get the citizenship of Thailand?

You can't but there are some options for a long term visa, easiest is an elite visa where you pay a few thousand dollars for 5 years of stay. Cheaper is a visa to take lessons in Thai language, that way you can get a visa for a few years.

A few k for a five year visa is actually a really fucking good deal. I assume that means no need for border runs?

Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

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The noticeable career effect for me was (and is) severe job opportunities pool shrinkage. I can't mentally go back to 9-5 @office - that translates to ~95% of jobs off the table.

Same here. I love working remote, and have been doing it for nearly 5 years now. The idea of getting up early, getting into a car, driving an hour, and sitting at a table with 20 other people surrounding you in one of those open offices that are all the rage today... just kill me now. This may sound trivial, but being able to take a dump in total privacy and comfort any time of the day is amazing.

Nothing like the "home base" toilet.

Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

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Never spent a day working at the office. Been working for ~5 years, then switched to freelance\consulting. It is 100% true that remote positions really impact your networking, so you have to compensate by attending conferences as much as possible. However, it also makes you a lot more independent which forces you to look for other opportunities such as independent consulting and possibly creating your own business, which, in my opinion, is a good thing.

So yeah, remote work definitely harms your career growth in terms of an employee, but also enables you to discover other opportunities, which improves your personality.

Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

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No job and no project is forever. 5 years is a lot, many times the average. If it can make you feel better, an in office situation would probably have gone the same. Companies and team changes slowly over time, people move on.

> 5 years is a lot, many times the average. This is incorrect as a general statement . I have reviewed several hundred resumes over the last 2 years on which software developers stayed at a company between 4 and 6 years as the median. In the Bay area 4 years is often the vesting schedule for people's first stock option (and it can be the biggest one people get) and I think that contributes. When I see a resume with a…

The average tenure in Google, Facebook and Amazon is 12 months. https://deeptalent.com/blog/tenure-length-tech-titans-compar...

If you flag every people who stayed less than 2 years at a company, good luck, there won't be any resume left.

Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

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Working remotely and having more control over my schedule (they don't always come together) allowed me to work on my side project until it was making enough money to cover my living expenses. The only problem is that now, after running my own business for a few years, I cannot phantom the idea of going back to a regular job. In that sense, my career as an employee is over.

Starting next year, I plan on living in Thailand with girlfriend and daughter. From then on I plan to work remotely. We are currently building our house there and hopefully it will be finished around March. The house is pretty cheap and therefore will be paid for in full (no mortgage or loan). While I work remotely I will try to make savings of at least 300.000 USD in the next few years. These savings will be, for th…

How are you building or is your gf Thai? Isn’t there a law against foreign land ownership? I know it’s possible to rent land for 90 years, but seems risky.

Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

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I’ve been doing remote for the last 10 years. I’ve worked from home a lot. But also took the time to travel, which was awesome and I met a ton of cool people, which is networking too.

But recently I started working from a coworking place. And that’s great too. It’s only an 8 minute walk, which I love as it helps me to reach my daily step count. And I get to talk to some interesting people.

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