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At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Post by QAPereo »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #67
provost wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll criticize Murs as well -- his behavior is also disgusting. However, please leave racial comments out of this.

The three comments here show why behavior like Murs goes not only unaddressed, but unpunished. Rap culture shouldn't be off limits to criticism because of race.

You do realize that “rap culture” revolves around a product marketed to, and bought predominately by white kids, right? I realize the term is just a dog whistle for a much less kind word, but still.. so stupid.

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Post by orangecat »

heedlessly2 wrote: post #83
BlanketApple wrote: post #8

I'd heard rumors about this at Vice. Glad to see it getting some air. Stories like this are important, because I think the traditional view of sexual harassment is that it happens at JP Morgan, or Exxon, or "stodgy" old companies. People don't think that it can happen at their cool, hip workplace where everyone's woke. But, power is power. Incidentally, and totally based off of a gut reaction and not data: I wonder i…

i've never understood those who think work is an appropriate place to seek romantic relationships. There's an old saying, "You don't shit where you eat"

i've never understood those who think work is an appropriate place to seek romantic relationships.

Like Barack and Michelle Obama? People are human. Put a bunch of single people with similar backgrounds in an office for a third or more of their waking lives, and there are going to be relationships happening unless you institute draconian policies, and probably even then.

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Post by saas_co_de »

1337biz wrote: post #56

I am baffled by the outrage. Isn't Vice known to be an edgy, drugy and boundary bending outlet? Are we seriously pretending to be suprised that drugged up late teens are doing sick stuff. Or what am I missing here?

just because d-bag is your "image" doesn't make you immune from sexual harassment laws.

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Post by sporkenfang »

scoggs wrote: post #84
BlanketApple wrote: post #8

I'd heard rumors about this at Vice. Glad to see it getting some air. Stories like this are important, because I think the traditional view of sexual harassment is that it happens at JP Morgan, or Exxon, or "stodgy" old companies. People don't think that it can happen at their cool, hip workplace where everyone's woke. But, power is power. Incidentally, and totally based off of a gut reaction and not data: I wonder i…

As a general rule for life I've always made sure to keep anything romantic out of my work life. If there was someone important enough to me that I worked with who I wanted to approach in that sense I'd wait until one of us moved onto another job. I'm not willing to say the vast majority of work related flings and relationships end up in disaster but I'm sure a lot of other people won't say that the majority wind up a…

With you 100%. Sure, meeting people at work happens— in America people spend 8-12 hours a day there. But best to not act on anything until one or both parties don’t work at the same place.

My dad had a slightly gross phrase for this: ‘don’t shit where you eat’.

As in there’s no sense in potentially poisoning workplace relations if a romantic overture or relationship doesn’t go well.

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Post by noobermin »

ringaroundthetx wrote: post #55

I dont think these expose’s and #metoo campaigns are going to have the effect that they are going for. These things are merely exposing consequences (or lack thereof) I think it is more likely that gender exclusive clubs will become more in vogue again, where they simply bus in the people willing to be objectified Unfortunately There is nothing about this that is curbing behavior or desires, it is only showing the fo…

I'll bite even though I shouldn't. What do you mean by the "folly of gender diversity in the workplace?"

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Post by ringaroundthetx »

noobermin wrote: post #95
ringaroundthetx wrote: post #55

I dont think these expose’s and #metoo campaigns are going to have the effect that they are going for. These things are merely exposing consequences (or lack thereof) I think it is more likely that gender exclusive clubs will become more in vogue again, where they simply bus in the people willing to be objectified Unfortunately There is nothing about this that is curbing behavior or desires, it is only showing the fo…

I'll bite even though I shouldn't. What do you mean by the "folly of gender diversity in the workplace?"

The additional liability incurred, as I wrote

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Post by craftyguy »

baron816 wrote: post #53
kelukelugames wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me too. I've heard the "he grabbed my hand and to put it on his crotch in public" story before. Did people learn this from porn? Was it done in some John Cusack movie? Apparently penis in popcorn is a thing and it's from a movie. https://www.google.com/search?ei=wZs-WoqmLIKOjwO435PoCQ&q=pe...

Schools should probably start teaching kids how to appropriately make a pass at a girl. Most movies seem to show guys “courageously” lunging in randomly for a kiss. The advice a kid gets from his friend’s older brother is going to be much worse. I’m sure 12 year old boys would appreciate learning how to know if a girl likes them, how to get a girlfriend, how to go in for a kiss, etc. as that’s 97% of what they think…

I wish this could be taught. But, sadly, given how many religious conservatives are rabidly against teaching children anything about anything that could maybe lead to sex, I can easily see there being a major defense against this because schools are "trying to get young kids to have sex."

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Post by nailer »

root_axis wrote: post #88
WillPostForFood wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The three comments here show why behavior like Murs goes not only unaddressed, but unpunished. Rap culture shouldn't be off limits to criticism because of race.

What? Those comments are remarking on your needles injection of race into the discussion, not your criticism of rap culture.

You are correct in that WillPostForFood other poster is mentioning rap culture, which is predominantly based on a racial and class-based culture, but they are not injecting it into the discussion as it is part of what occurred. Perhaps you're simply uncomfortable discussing the topic, which is common.

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Post by JoeDaDude »

baron816 wrote: post #53
kelukelugames wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me too. I've heard the "he grabbed my hand and to put it on his crotch in public" story before. Did people learn this from porn? Was it done in some John Cusack movie? Apparently penis in popcorn is a thing and it's from a movie. https://www.google.com/search?ei=wZs-WoqmLIKOjwO435PoCQ&q=pe...

Schools should probably start teaching kids how to appropriately make a pass at a girl. Most movies seem to show guys “courageously” lunging in randomly for a kiss. The advice a kid gets from his friend’s older brother is going to be much worse. I’m sure 12 year old boys would appreciate learning how to know if a girl likes them, how to get a girlfriend, how to go in for a kiss, etc. as that’s 97% of what they think…

This is a little tongue-in-cheek, but it does get you thinking about how movie portray the "courageous" male:

[1] http://www.cracked.com/blog/how-men-are-trained-to-think-sex...

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Post by frankzinger »

ucaetano wrote: post #34

Straight from 2004: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/av759j/the-vice-v11n5 "The VICE Guide to Partying Here are some of the types you'll need to invite. TRANSSEXUAL: Pre-op is good, but post–breast implants, pre–gender reassignment is PERFECTION. All transsexuals are slutty, so don't worry about that. This guest is a very high priority and should be catered to accordingly. Put her first in the queue for cocaine and…

Wow, that article only gets worse. It's actually weird that one of the takeaways of the top-level article is that people were surprised to find sexual harassment/assault at a "young, hip" company like Vice. But looking at this kind of content one has to expect it to be much worse at Vice than at "traditional, old-school" companies.
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