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Oracle Sues Google For Patent And Copyright Infringement

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Re: Oracle Sues Google For Patent And Copyright Infringement

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Post by Niten »

corruption wrote: post #3

I think this type of behavior was what everyone feared would happen, but I never really believed they would stoop this low. This may mean that JCP is dead, harmony is doomed and it must be pretty scary for companies heavily invested in Java.

This would be like Microsoft suing the Mono team for its C# and CLI implementations, which it has irrevocably promised not to do:

http://www.microsoft.com/interop/cp/default.mspx

I was worried when Oracle acquired Sun, but I never thought I'd see them clamp down on Java to the extent that .NET is a significantly more open platform. But there it is.

Re: Oracle Sues Google For Patent And Copyright Infringement

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Post by wmf »

corruption wrote: post #3

I think this type of behavior was what everyone feared would happen, but I never really believed they would stoop this low. This may mean that JCP is dead, harmony is doomed and it must be pretty scary for companies heavily invested in Java.

This has nothing to do with the JCP or Harmony. Sun's long-standing policy has been to grant Java licenses to compatible implementations, which Dalvik certainly is not. Also, Sun was only willing to grant free licenses to open-source non-mobile VMs, which again Dalvik is not eligible for.

Re: Oracle Sues Google For Patent And Copyright Infringement

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Post by wmf »

Patents cited in the complaint(http://www.scribd.com/doc/35810897/Oracle-Google-Complaint):

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=dyQGAAAAEBAJ, http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=G1YGAAAAEBAJ&dq=6... - Does Dalvik even use the Java security model?

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=5GMZAAAAEBAJ - related to the dex file format

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=U-4UAAAAEBAJ

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=mEwEAAAAEBAJ

Re: Oracle Sues Google For Patent And Copyright Infringement

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Post by corruption »

wmf wrote: post #6
corruption wrote: post #3

I think this type of behavior was what everyone feared would happen, but I never really believed they would stoop this low. This may mean that JCP is dead, harmony is doomed and it must be pretty scary for companies heavily invested in Java.

This has nothing to do with the JCP or Harmony. Sun's long-standing policy has been to grant Java licenses to compatible implementations, which Dalvik certainly is not. Also, Sun was only willing to grant free licenses to open-source non-mobile VMs, which again Dalvik is not eligible for.

You are right - my initial gut reaction bested my brain :)

Re: Oracle Sues Google For Patent And Copyright Infringement

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Post by corruption »

Niten wrote: post #5
corruption wrote: post #3

I think this type of behavior was what everyone feared would happen, but I never really believed they would stoop this low. This may mean that JCP is dead, harmony is doomed and it must be pretty scary for companies heavily invested in Java.

This would be like Microsoft suing the Mono team for its C# and CLI implementations, which it has irrevocably promised not to do: http://www.microsoft.com/interop/cp/default.mspx I was worried when Oracle acquired Sun, but I never thought I'd see them clamp down on Java to the extent that .NET is a significantly more open platform. But there it is.

Well, I think I am wrong on my initial gut reaction, kindly pointed out by wmf. This would be like Microsoft suing RedHat for creating a non-compatible C#-like language and virtual machine.
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