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Victory on “The Price Is Right” Made Them Change Their System

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Re: Victory on “The Price Is Right” Made Them Change Their System

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I'm reminded of the first season of Survivor. I didn't watch, but followed along on (IIRC) a Diplomacy discussion forum of all places; it seemed clear that Richard was playing an extremely strategic game, even deliberately sandbagging an endurance contest when it was down to 3 players, knowing that the woman who won it would have to eliminate the other, much more popular male contestant to have a chance to win the vo…

I believe it. Playing Diplomacy, especially for years on Dipbounced, taught me more about strategy and game theory than any other resource. The community of players are all deep thinkers and incredibly ruthless. We used to have 2-3 day Diplomacy sessions back in college where we'd just do game after game and I miss it sorely. If you were to ask me to pick the most pure strategy games, Diplomacy would be #1 and maybe…

I'm looking for hardcore Diplomacy players to fill out the roster of a one-move-a-week, online-only game. Send me an email if you're interested.

Re: Victory on “The Price Is Right” Made Them Change Their System

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Given your comment, I wonder if there's an interesting list of people who have been on the Price is Right. For example, one person I can think of is Aaron Paul (Jesse Pinkman from Breaking Bad) who said: "It looks like I'm on some serious crack. I downed about six cans of red bull because I knew they wanted people with energy. It worked, but I could not sit still. It was not healthy."

That much caffeine is a serious health risk.

LD50 is 150-200mg per kg, so 480mg from 6 cans of redbull shouldn't be a serious risk.

Re: Victory on “The Price Is Right” Made Them Change Their System

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given your comment, I wonder if there's an interesting list of people who have been on the Price is Right. For example, one person I can think of is Aaron Paul (Jesse Pinkman from Breaking Bad) who said: "It looks like I'm on some serious crack. I downed about six cans of red bull because I knew they wanted people with energy. It worked, but I could not sit still. It was not healthy."

That much caffeine is a serious health risk.

I drink that much caffeine before noon every day. It's 3 cups of coffee.

edit: I suspect the ~200g of sugar is worse on some level.

Re: Victory on “The Price Is Right” Made Them Change Their System

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It might be different now, but I'm pretty sure back in the Bob Barker era contestant selection wasn't random. The entire audience had to introduce themselves to the producer one by one and answer his questions about where they were from, what they did, and if they were there with anyone. The people selected were fairly attractive and charismatic. The selection also leaned toward people who came with larger groups. I…

Yep, it's still like that now, too! I was on The Price is Right a few months ago, and I got called to "come on down" to be a contestant. Before the show, producer Stan Blits greets every member of the audience while they're waiting in line. He chats with each audience member (for about 20 seconds) to gauge their liveliness & enthusiasm. As he's chatting with each person, he gives a subtle hand signal to an intern who…

So that could be easily gamed too is what you're saying.

Re: Victory on “The Price Is Right” Made Them Change Their System

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Agreed! My step-uncle, an actor and extremely outgoing guy, managed to impress the producer enough to get into the small selection pool of contestants and get on the snow. He won a bunch of stuff, but had to turn it down because he had no space for a bunch of random merch and didn't want to pay taxes on it. It can actually be a big burden on these shows that don't do cash prizes.

cash would mean smaller profit margins and less of a spectacle A 60 inch TV sounds more impressive than $200

You're missing the biggest reason: advertising. Getting your product on the show is great for brand awareness and probably costs quite a bit, plus free products.

Re: Victory on “The Price Is Right” Made Them Change Their System

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post #39

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I once went with a group of 20 that was registered in advance and nobody from our group was called (but I think we were guaranteed seats and didn't have to wait in line). I think the 20+ group thing is an urban legend, the producers can really choose whoever they want. However the way the show is done, if a person has a big cheering section that is good for the show, so I imagine if you come in a group your chance of…

Yes. I was there with a group of 30. They dismissed most of us in seconds, but took longer to talk with a few of our liveliest members. The one they talked the longest with got called as a contestant.

What do they say? Just small talk like where youre from and whatd you do for a living?

Re: Victory on “The Price Is Right” Made Them Change Their System

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This reminds me of a great thought piece that I studied a lot during my gaming years: Playing to Win. http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win Particularly relevant to the Jeopardy contestant that buzzed in when he didn't know the answers to block others from getting the cash.

I'm reminded of the first season of Survivor. I didn't watch, but followed along on (IIRC) a Diplomacy discussion forum of all places; it seemed clear that Richard was playing an extremely strategic game, even deliberately sandbagging an endurance contest when it was down to 3 players, knowing that the woman who won it would have to eliminate the other, much more popular male contestant to have a chance to win the vo…

Yes! I never watched Survivor, but my mom and brother are both die-hards. They've talked about this before. During the first season, no one was _playing to win_ except for Richard. Then, in all of the later season, the players were much savvier and the strategy was much more deliberate.

The contrast between the later seasons and the first season sounds fascinating.

Re: Victory on “The Price Is Right” Made Them Change Their System

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe it. Playing Diplomacy, especially for years on Dipbounced, taught me more about strategy and game theory than any other resource. The community of players are all deep thinkers and incredibly ruthless. We used to have 2-3 day Diplomacy sessions back in college where we'd just do game after game and I miss it sorely. If you were to ask me to pick the most pure strategy games, Diplomacy would be #1 and maybe…

I'm looking for hardcore Diplomacy players to fill out the roster of a one-move-a-week, online-only game. Send me an email if you're interested.

Very tempting offer that I passed along to a couple of people. At the moment I'm preparing to change jobs and launch a business simultaneously and I'm trying to reduce any commitments that I have.

Thank you for the offer.

Re: Victory on “The Price Is Right” Made Them Change Their System

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This reminds me of a great thought piece that I studied a lot during my gaming years: Playing to Win. http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win Particularly relevant to the Jeopardy contestant that buzzed in when he didn't know the answers to block others from getting the cash.

>Particularly relevant to the Jeopardy contestant that buzzed in when he didn't know the answers to block others from getting the cash.

But this isn’t how Jeopardy works. If you get the question wrong, I still get the opportunity to get it right.

Can you explain this in more detail?

Re: Victory on “The Price Is Right” Made Them Change Their System

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My show that I've "solved" is cutthroat kitchen. In this show, you don't need to be the best cook until the final round. Before that the object is to "not lose". The solution - buy the sabotages. Give the sabotages to the cook with the most money. Taking everything personal and retaliating hurts your chances of winning because it increases your chance of losing the round -- and if your retaliee loses, the remaining c…

> Caring about how much money is in your hand also hurts your chances of winning because you become less likely to buy the sabotage. I haven't seen the show, but if you buy all the way to zero, what's the point of playing then? Is there a prize besides the amount of money you keep? Because if I won and only walked home with $100, it would seem like a waste of time. It does seem like a good strategy on that game would…

I hadn't thought of it that way, but that is a good point.

You start with $25k, then bid on sabotages.... you take home what you keep. It's usually a few thousand, but once I saw someone take home $25k.

If I were an aspiring chef or successful chef -- I see the show as having more risk than possible reward. If you lose, you might be subject to criticism of your cooking, when it should be criticism of game theory.

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