Jakarta Is Sinking So Fast, It Could End Up Underwater

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Post by lxm » Sat, Dec 23, 2017, 6:12 PM UTC

Jakarta Is Sinking So Fast, It Could End Up Underwater
nytimes.com

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Post by imr_ » Sat, Dec 23, 2017, 7:11 PM UTC

Hence the definition of sinking...

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Post by chewz » Sat, Dec 23, 2017, 7:19 PM UTC

Entire Indonesia is falling apart. Economic development is terribly slow over long term and their main export industries (oil, mining, coal and palm oil - [1]) do not seem to have a future due to underinvestment and drying demand.

Quite sad.. Such a beautiful, diverse country and nice people.

[1] https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/idn/#Exports

Re: Jakarta Is Sinking So Fast, It Could End Up Underwater

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Post by Feniks » Sat, Dec 23, 2017, 7:23 PM UTC

Yeah Jakarta was founded as the Amsterdam of the East Indies. Sadly Indonesia doesn't have the near limitless resources of its old colonial owner that keeps Amsterdam/Holland from sinking.

Climate change is going to hurt the poorer countries the most.

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Post by choward » Sat, Dec 23, 2017, 7:27 PM UTC

imr_ wrote: post #2

Hence the definition of sinking...

Good point. The "so fast" part actually means nothing.

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Post by cobbzilla » Sat, Dec 23, 2017, 7:43 PM UTC

Feniks wrote: post #4

Yeah Jakarta was founded as the Amsterdam of the East Indies. Sadly Indonesia doesn't have the near limitless resources of its old colonial owner that keeps Amsterdam/Holland from sinking. Climate change is going to hurt the poorer countries the most.

I agree but Jakarta is not terribly poor, with a GDP of over $400B [1]. The problem seems more rooted in a low-trust political environment that is riddled with corruption.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta

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Post by forinti » Sat, Dec 23, 2017, 7:52 PM UTC

choward wrote: post #5

imr_ wrote: post #2

Hence the definition of sinking...

Good point. The "so fast" part actually means nothing.

Maybe they meant it's so fast there's no time to do anything about it.

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Post by bogomipz » Sat, Dec 23, 2017, 7:52 PM UTC

Feniks wrote: post #4

Yeah Jakarta was founded as the Amsterdam of the East Indies. Sadly Indonesia doesn't have the near limitless resources of its old colonial owner that keeps Amsterdam/Holland from sinking. Climate change is going to hurt the poorer countries the most.

Indonesia actually has a larger GDP than the Netherlands and the largest economy in South East Asia

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Post by Sylos » Sat, Dec 23, 2017, 7:57 PM UTC

imr_ wrote: post #2

Hence the definition of sinking...

Yeah, it's not easy to convey how pressing the issue is by just stating that Jakarta is sinking, but that really is a surprisingly dumb headline for an otherwise solid article.

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Post by yanowitz » Sat, Dec 23, 2017, 7:57 PM UTC

bogomipz wrote: post #8

Feniks wrote: post #4

Yeah Jakarta was founded as the Amsterdam of the East Indies. Sadly Indonesia doesn't have the near limitless resources of its old colonial owner that keeps Amsterdam/Holland from sinking. Climate change is going to hurt the poorer countries the most.

Indonesia actually has a larger GDP than the Netherlands and the largest economy in South East Asia

GDP per capita is more than 4x in Netherlands (on a PPP basis). On a straight per capita basis, it’s even higher. See, e.g., https://tradingeconomics.com/indonesia/gdp-per-capita