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At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Post by dominotw »

pwaai wrote: post #19
trhway wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to not be generally offended by anything that goes on there. Is it a one way or two way street at Vice - ie. are you allowed to "offend" in your turn too?

Seems pretty one way: > One woman said she was riding a Ferris wheel at Coney Island after a company event when a co-worker suddenly took her hand and put it on his crotch. So basically the letter the women sign is a license for certain men in a elevated position to assault women. I feel like this kind of shit puts us two steps back, especially when the American president is accused of similar behavior towards woman,…

> If the mainstream media wanted to destroy Vice once and for all, now seems like an appropriate opportunity.

So I guess its well accepted now that "mainstream media" is not merely there to report what is going on but have active agendas to shape the world according to their wishes. It a weapon of destruction.

Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Post by ucaetano »

Straight from 2004:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/av759j/the-vice-v11n5

"The VICE Guide to Partying

Here are some of the types you'll need to invite.

TRANSSEXUAL: Pre-op is good, but post–breast implants, pre–gender reassignment is PERFECTION. All transsexuals are slutty, so don't worry about that. This guest is a very high priority and should be catered to accordingly. Put her first in the queue for cocaine and drinks. Tell her how pretty she is. Touch her a lot.

GUY WHO WILL FUCK TRANSSEXUAL: He is your #2 guy, your party wingman. If the tranny doesn't feel loved, she will leave. Then you're fucked. If you don't have a tranny chaser in your six-degrees network, I have one word for you: craigslist.com. We posted there for this party ("Guy wanted to fuck tranny in ass") and had 20 respondents within an hour. I picked this particular man because he has the biggest ring through his cockhead that I have ever seen.

WANTON DRUNK SLUT: This is a surprisingly tough one to find. Once you get a reliable drunk slut in your life, someone who will shed her clothes and let a room full of people write on her with indelible markers at the drop of a hat, hold onto her like a dinghy in the perfect storm. She is a true party staple and will prove again and again the fact that nudity at a party is as contagious as the bird flu. Just as the night begins, give her (and only her) a handful of shrooms."

Yep, that's Vice. The current progressive, cutting-edge image is just makeup.

Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Post by WillPostForFood »

provost wrote: post #11

> In 2003 Vice reached a $25,000 settlement with the freelance writer Jessica Hopper. The deal involved defamation claims tied to an interview she did with the rapper Murs that was published in the February 2003 issue of the magazine, according to a copy of the agreement viewed by The Times. During the interview, Murs asked Ms. Hopper if he could have sex with her. She said no and included that answer in her article.…

Interesting that the behavior by Murs goes I commented on and uncriticized in the article. It is in the realm of bad behavior (asking a reporter “can we xxxx”). I suspect it is a lot more comfortable to critique white corporate culture than black rap culture, even though the later is deeply misogynistic.

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Post by vforgione »

lkerrekfjk wrote: post #29
vforgione wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a woman wants to touch you, she will. End of story.

Wouldn't that be assault as well?

That’s not even close to what I was getting at. If you are interested in someone there are a million non threatening, non aggressive ways to signal it. If it’s purely sexual the same applies. If the other person wants the same they will make it obvious.

In the context of the story about the man forcibly putting the woman’s hand on his crotch, there didn’t seem to be any precedent (from the story that was published) that would have indicated that she would want to touch him like that. If there was some conversation that happened where mutual interest was expressed and the conversation turned sexual, then if she wanted to touch him she would.

Grabbing another person and forcing their hand to your genitals is not okay. I don’t understand how that is ambiguous.

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Post by bogomipz »

provost wrote: post #11

> In 2003 Vice reached a $25,000 settlement with the freelance writer Jessica Hopper. The deal involved defamation claims tied to an interview she did with the rapper Murs that was published in the February 2003 issue of the magazine, according to a copy of the agreement viewed by The Times. During the interview, Murs asked Ms. Hopper if he could have sex with her. She said no and included that answer in her article.…

I was shocked by that figure as well. All I can think is that since they pay people peanuts that may have sounded like an impressive settlement figure to someone.

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Post by matte_black »

vforgione wrote: post #17
freeflight wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That incident happened after a company event, isn't that considered private time? I mean, she would have had to agree to go with the co-worker, during their off-hours, in the first place and he might have interpreted her willingness to go along as a signal of mutual interest (romantic, sexual) in each other? That isn't meant as an excuse for such creepy, if not straight up criminal, behavior. But as somebody with som…

If a woman wants to touch you, she will. End of story.

No woman better fucking touch me unless I invite them to.

Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Post by jameskegel »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #35
provost wrote: post #11

> In 2003 Vice reached a $25,000 settlement with the freelance writer Jessica Hopper. The deal involved defamation claims tied to an interview she did with the rapper Murs that was published in the February 2003 issue of the magazine, according to a copy of the agreement viewed by The Times. During the interview, Murs asked Ms. Hopper if he could have sex with her. She said no and included that answer in her article.…

Interesting that the behavior by Murs goes I commented on and uncriticized in the article. It is in the realm of bad behavior (asking a reporter “can we xxxx”). I suspect it is a lot more comfortable to critique white corporate culture than black rap culture, even though the later is deeply misogynistic.

I’m not sure what this has to do with his racial identity; I feel the same way about his behavior regardless.
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