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At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Post by TheAdamAndChe »

vforgione wrote: post #17
freeflight wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That incident happened after a company event, isn't that considered private time? I mean, she would have had to agree to go with the co-worker, during their off-hours, in the first place and he might have interpreted her willingness to go along as a signal of mutual interest (romantic, sexual) in each other? That isn't meant as an excuse for such creepy, if not straight up criminal, behavior. But as somebody with som…

If a woman wants to touch you, she will. End of story.

Are women the only ones supposed to attempt to initiate a relationship nowadays? That's a bit extreme IMO.

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Post by pwaai »

provost wrote: post #11

> In 2003 Vice reached a $25,000 settlement with the freelance writer Jessica Hopper. The deal involved defamation claims tied to an interview she did with the rapper Murs that was published in the February 2003 issue of the magazine, according to a copy of the agreement viewed by The Times. During the interview, Murs asked Ms. Hopper if he could have sex with her. She said no and included that answer in her article.…

I hope that she can get the appropriate justice. $25,000 is a pittance compared to the psychological trauma from having to relive the trauma over and over from being discussed. I mean, fuck man, why even become a lawyer if you are going to achieve such poor results?

But I guess when you can't afford the same lawyers a large corporation can, its going to be an uphill battle. Especially now when the US courts is trending towards less class action lawsuits.

When all goes wrong you are supposed to be able to count on the law. Seems like a pretty big asterisk is needed there.

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Post by tzahola »

vforgione wrote: post #17
freeflight wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That incident happened after a company event, isn't that considered private time? I mean, she would have had to agree to go with the co-worker, during their off-hours, in the first place and he might have interpreted her willingness to go along as a signal of mutual interest (romantic, sexual) in each other? That isn't meant as an excuse for such creepy, if not straight up criminal, behavior. But as somebody with som…

If a woman wants to touch you, she will. End of story.

>If a man wants to touch you, he will. End of story.

I can only imagine the amount of outrage if someone wrote this.

Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Post by vforgione »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #21
vforgione wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a woman wants to touch you, she will. End of story.

Are women the only ones supposed to attempt to initiate a relationship nowadays? That's a bit extreme IMO.

No. It wasn’t meant to come off like that. I was responding to the context of the story.

It doesn’t matter who it is. If someone wants to be intimate they will clearly signal it.

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Post by gt_ »

provost wrote: post #11

> In 2003 Vice reached a $25,000 settlement with the freelance writer Jessica Hopper. The deal involved defamation claims tied to an interview she did with the rapper Murs that was published in the February 2003 issue of the magazine, according to a copy of the agreement viewed by The Times. During the interview, Murs asked Ms. Hopper if he could have sex with her. She said no and included that answer in her article.…

Disgusting.

I hate how easy it is for me to remember this culture in that time. I did not readily realize it but Shock was the name of the game. The original hipster was a coked out liar who spoke in what we now call youtube comments. At the time, it was shocking and cool. Working in these environments was very awkward for me and I couldn’t imagine what it was like for females. I was driven by the intellectual and creative bent but had to face the reality that it was was far from that. It was a culture that favored shock over honesty and this the story exemplifies it well.

I do not understand, however, how the settlement turned out so poorly for her. I would guess it’s just a matter of affording good attorneys?

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Post by michaelbuckbee »

eropple wrote: post #18
pwaai wrote: post #12

The co-founder of Vice started a alt-right white boy club[1], which was pretty shocking to be honest. It did make me stop watching Vice & Vice News altogether. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_McInnes

McInnes is a racist, misogynistic shitheel for sure, but he also left in 2008. Since, Vice has become an outlet that does objectively good stuff with its reporting and its specialist media--I love Waypoint, I have a friend there whose moral compass is beyond reproach as far as I am concerned, and I have zero doubt that that friend wouldn't be there if they weren't convinced of the place. Near as I can tell, Vice is a…

Not sure why you're being downvoted.

Austin Walker (current editor in chief for Waypoint - Vice's Video Games site) is the walking antithesis of an alt-right bro.

It is a good question though: how long do you hold an organization responsible for someone or for their collective actions?

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Post by lkerrekfjk »

vforgione wrote: post #17
freeflight wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That incident happened after a company event, isn't that considered private time? I mean, she would have had to agree to go with the co-worker, during their off-hours, in the first place and he might have interpreted her willingness to go along as a signal of mutual interest (romantic, sexual) in each other? That isn't meant as an excuse for such creepy, if not straight up criminal, behavior. But as somebody with som…

If a woman wants to touch you, she will. End of story.

Wouldn't that be assault as well?

Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Post by dominotw »

Operyl wrote: post #20
dominotw wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no way to prove that it actually happened. Not sure what HR can really do in cases like these or what is even expected of them.

On its own, sure, but when you have 5 women saying it happened? 10? It’s always valuable reporting things to HR.

Sorry I wasn't implying she shouldn't report to HR. I was responding to previous comment which said "What did HR do?". So like you are suggesting it could have been the first report against him and HR might not have not done anything, which doesn't necessarily imply they are complicit in harassment.
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