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On the Darknet, Reputation Is Everything

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Re: On the Darknet, Reputation Is Everything

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post #66

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Drug sale and use is not victimless. The costs vary with the type of drug and the enforcement regime but the social costs never go to zero. There can be huge negative externalities involved with drug use, as anyone with a family member who has a drug problem could tell you. Even in the most enlightened societies one would have to acknowledge that support and rehabilitation for the small percentage of users who have p…

Alcohol has some of the worst negative externalities of any drug of abuse. It's a causal factor in a huge proportion of road traffic accidents and domestic violence. It kills about 88,000 Americans annually due to overdose, accidents and chronic illness. Typical recreational doses are inherently toxic. When we criminalized alcohol, the negative externalities got worse. Gangsters murdered each other in the street for…

Criminalizing alcohol is a bad way for society to recover the cost associated with it. Social factors mean that enforcement becomes poor and very selective, you lose tax revenues so there is less money in the short term to use for enforcement, and as you said the evidence is clear.

Instead there seems to be two effective strategies, both used for alcohol and tobacco, which is taxation and state monopolies. Taking Sweden as an example, the taxation is made per liter of sold alcohol. The stronger (and assuming bigger effect on society), the more society demand in compensation. Depending on the drink and original price, the tax can actually become several times higher.

Here the money is ear marked for things such as reducing traffic accidents and domestic violence. If the cost are increased you simply increase the tax. Police has a strong incentive to catch this form of tax evasion as part of the money goes to them, and social norms are rather accepting since only poor people are disproportional effected by the price increase.

Similar for state monopoly, the state has a direct incentive to punish would-be completion. From a social perspective, my guess is that people are rather used to monopolies. Each year there is more and more merges leaving fewer companies that actually compete, and naturally prices goes up. Regardless if it is an icecream, a fridge, gass, a phone, a moive, or a news paper, you can best that most products is made by just a handful global companies, or a single one.

And as for the effect, there seems to be a fair correlation to heavy taxation and decrease use. The tax has never been as high in Sweden as now and the use has never been so low.

Re: On the Darknet, Reputation Is Everything

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post #96

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Part of why I'm so up on pot legalization - locally grown, conflict-free drugs.

Conflict-free? I never understood that. Is Sugar considered conflict-free?

Sugar is not conflict free- most comes from sugar cane, which is at fault for major deforrestation. In addition renewable carbohydrates are all part of a artesic market, meaning if you push them with subsidies on one market (bio-fuels), the subsidy propagates via demand to all connected markets. Meaning Sugar prizes rising is a indicator for future conflict due to missing food.

Re: On the Darknet, Reputation Is Everything

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Yet if we compare the regulated drug market to the unregulated one (mostly perscription painkillers vs marijuana) the regulated market has arguably worse outcomes and higher costs. Also, Kurz Gesagt has a great video on addiction--it's not as simple as blaming the problems/externalities solely on drugs: https://youtu.be/ao8L-0nSYzg

What if you compare prescription painkillers to heroin and fentanyl? Apples to apples, as opposed to apples to weed?

Fentanyl is a prescription painkiller.

Re: On the Darknet, Reputation Is Everything

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post #85

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Drug sale and use is not victimless. The costs vary with the type of drug and the enforcement regime but the social costs never go to zero. The selling of drugs may be undesirable some people's minds, "society" may decide it should be suppressed. That's your judgment but drug use remains "victimless" in the sense I described earlier - all people involved want the event to happen. Theft or assault are against cooperat…

all people involved want the event to happen Obviously false. The people cleaning up after an overdose don't want it to happen. The family watching a member trash a career don't want it to happen. "Involved" doesn't begin to capture the number of people dealing with the event if you just consider the direct participants.

That is true, but not really relevant to the issue of consent. Those people choose to be involved. Their decision to be involved in a drug user's life doesn't give them the right to dictate the life choices of the drug user.

Re: On the Darknet, Reputation Is Everything

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post #131

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Alcohol has some of the worst negative externalities of any drug of abuse. It's a causal factor in a huge proportion of road traffic accidents and domestic violence. It kills about 88,000 Americans annually due to overdose, accidents and chronic illness. Typical recreational doses are inherently toxic. When we criminalized alcohol, the negative externalities got worse. Gangsters murdered each other in the street for…

Criminalizing alcohol is a bad way for society to recover the cost associated with it. Social factors mean that enforcement becomes poor and very selective, you lose tax revenues so there is less money in the short term to use for enforcement, and as you said the evidence is clear. Instead there seems to be two effective strategies, both used for alcohol and tobacco, which is taxation and state monopolies. Taking Swe…

Finland, not sweden, but taxation seems to be a shitty solution too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilju

> Due to its low cost and simple production process, kilju is mostly drunk by low-income people or heavy drinkers, such as students and alcoholics.

Re: On the Darknet, Reputation Is Everything

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Conflict-free? I never understood that. Is Sugar considered conflict-free?

The comparison being to conflict diamonds (and conflict-free diamonds) - a lot of wars are fueled and escalated by revenues from natural resource extraction, and a pretty simple kind of ethical consumption is to decide to not buy diamonds from, say, the DRC. The market will adapt somewhat, especially if the good is a commodity whose origin can be obscured in the supply chain, but substituting a whole different good a…

>if the good is a commodity whose origin can be obscured in the supply chain

Like what happens with diamonds: https://www.salon.com/2013/01/07/the_myth_of_conflict_free_d...

Re: On the Darknet, Reputation Is Everything

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I don't see how open source is a communist model, nobody is coerced to publish their code, they do because they want to, even several companies are making some of their source code public for improving the trust that their client has in their product and increase their sales.

"Communism" — the leading capital due to its being the first word in the sentence — is an economic model . "Communism", the Soviet-style phenomenon is not "communism", either in principle, or in practice. Yet we insist on conflating them, and argue against the one whenever the other is mentioned, as if it's synonymous with both.

At the very least, they're related in that every attempt to implement the economic model ends up the totalitarian government. The Russian Revolution was the first of several experiments.

Re: On the Darknet, Reputation Is Everything

#138
post #136

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The comparison being to conflict diamonds (and conflict-free diamonds) - a lot of wars are fueled and escalated by revenues from natural resource extraction, and a pretty simple kind of ethical consumption is to decide to not buy diamonds from, say, the DRC. The market will adapt somewhat, especially if the good is a commodity whose origin can be obscured in the supply chain, but substituting a whole different good a…

>if the good is a commodity whose origin can be obscured in the supply chain Like what happens with diamonds: https://www.salon.com/2013/01/07/the_myth_of_conflict_free_d...

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Re: On the Darknet, Reputation Is Everything

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post #69
post #20

I think it's a really positive thing that people are able to leave reviews for drug purchases. In the absence of FDA regulation, a public reputation system incentivizes dealers to avoid harming their customers with dangerously-adulterated products. In the midst of an opioid crisis, with people overdosing on heroin cut with fentanyl, having this accountability can save lives. There's a subreddit (whose name I won't me…

if they hurt their customers, they might not sell as much too... so number of transactions by itself might be an interesting metric

Right, which is why they exit scam. Build up a good reputation and when the amount you can run with equals what would be years of "honest" work profits, you then run away, set up a new account and start over again.

Re: On the Darknet, Reputation Is Everything

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IMHO, It's only conflict free if you grow it yourself unfortunately. I don't smoke myself but I plan to summer in Colorado in 2018 and grow a crop to give to oncology patients and the like.

Not to be nitpicky, but why would these patients (who will be depositary of your good will) think any different from you as to "it's only conflict free if you grow it yourself"? They may as well use this moral standing to reject your crop. There has to be trust at some point right?

I meant that if you buy it in stores, you are generating a lot of taxes that are used to do shit like bomb the fuck out of Libya, fund the mercenaries that intelligence already knew were going to shift from FSA to fighting for ISIS (because we knew ISIS was taking over certain areas in the drug trade and certain oil fields. The ~1M people dead in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last dozen or so years because of our interventionism without any serious plan for success.

I don't care if the patients have my politics. Most people don't. I just want to help people that have serious shit going on.

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