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Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

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Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

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I live in a small city in the US, and remote work has provided me opportunities for career progression and networking that would otherwise be impossible for me unless I moved my family somewhere else. The key for me has been to work for distributed companies rather than as one of the few remote workers on the team. This seems to make all the difference in the world.

Pretty much this. I live in St. Louis. I've got 15 years' career experience, the last 5 of which were remote; I've been able to do impactful work for major east coast and west coast names you've definitely heard of.

It's been an amazing opportunity to level up my career and my skills. If you told me in late 2012 that I'd be doing what I do now, where I do now, I'd have laughed you out of the room.

That said I've had to work a little harder on things like conference speaking and attendance, in order to build up a network and offset some of what I miss from not being in the room every day with people in NYC/SF.

Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

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I've worked remote ranging from 100% to 30% most of my career. I've also built a business with 100% remote workers, and currently work for a "some people remote" business.

My advice to anyone considering this is if you are currently in a company that is designed and built around face to face office communication - run, don't walk. You will almost always be a second class citizen that is slowly forgotten about. It's simply how humans work, and while I'm sure there are outliers I don't find them very interesting.

If you do decide working remote is important to you, I would suggest looking for a job where the entire team, (especially) including high level management, works remotely at least the vast majority of the time. These situations tend to work out rather well if you have the CEO/CTO at the top of the company holding remote work as a core company principle.

The communication structure of a remote worker vs. office worker company is vastly different, and companies ran remotely must establish very clear communication policies that look wildly different than normal. I've never seen a combination office/remote organization actually do much to change these policies when the first team goes remote - with completely predictable results.

One of my rules when I ran my company remotely was that practically everything was talked about in public chat channels so anyone could search/scroll up and read 30 minutes of backscroll to see what the emergency/whatever of the day was. I found some folks flourished in such an environment, but some folks absolutely detested it since they couldn't deal with being "called out" for a mistake in public. When those "mistakes" start being hidden in private chats is where fundamental cohesion problems start within remote teams, in my experience. Those sorts of things sort of simply permeate naturally through on-site teams, where there is no such action for remote teams if information remains segregated into a zillion private interactions.

I love remote work, and hope to one day build another remote-based company since I miss it and have some further ideas I'd like to try implementing to make it even better.

If I had to make one point it would be that remote companies need to be fundamentally designed and organized differently than non-remote companies and this fact is rarely recognized by most.

Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

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I was remote for almost the entirety of the last 5 years. This is just my experience, YMMV. My first job had a remote team that I was promoted onto. They had a _very_ healthy culture that ensured remote people did not feel like second class citizens. I grew a ton and never once felt like I needed an office to be with my coworkers. Using the soft skills I developed there, I continued to get new jobs as I grew and each…

Can you share what contributed to the healthy remote culture that allowed you to build a solid base?

Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

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Absolutely it has for me. For 5 years I worked on a video store website as the sole developer, every few months having the two founders drop by to look over my code and tell me how terrible it was. Living in a remote suburb of the city, I didn't have the ability to go to meet-ups or build a network (outside of LinkedIn, which doesn't really count). So now I'm out of a job for the past 9 months, and don't have a netwo…

It sounds like most of your issue is not with the fact that you worked remote but that you worked remote and lived in a remote area. It is certainly possible to work remote and live close to where the action is. Example... you may live in Boston and work remote for a company in Silicon Valley. I know people who work remote but go to meetups at night all the time.

Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

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Absolutely it has for me. For 5 years I worked on a video store website as the sole developer, every few months having the two founders drop by to look over my code and tell me how terrible it was. Living in a remote suburb of the city, I didn't have the ability to go to meet-ups or build a network (outside of LinkedIn, which doesn't really count). So now I'm out of a job for the past 9 months, and don't have a netwo…

Meetups can help networking.

Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

#17
I worked remote for 10 years. No promotions because all of the higher jobs required a physical presence in the office. In the last year, they shuffled me into a department that under-utilized me. Then they laid me off.

No real complaint, though. I was paid well, got a nice severance, and really didn't want the stress of climbing the corporate ladder anyway. Now I'm self-employed, part-time. All is well.

Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

#18
Yes (fewer available jobs, harder to progress), but not working remote would have harmed my life satisfaction.

I figured that I can always work on fun projects in my spare time and find fulfillment this way, especially since living in a country where the cost of living is terribly low allows me to have a bunch of free time. This was preferable to living somewhere where I can have a great career but not much else I liked, so that's the choice I made.

Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

#19
Working remotely pretty much destroyed my career for two reasons: (1) my networking opportunities plummeted to zero and (2) I was fired for reasons I believe could have been avoided if I had worked in an office and had stronger relationships with more co-workers.

My remote job was at a fully distributed company with good compensation.

I worked there for about five years, receiving only positive reviews.

Groups in the company worked in a very silo-ed manner — there was not a lot of work overlap or cross-team communication. But I loved my team and work so it was fine with me.

Once the company started struggling, they re-organized our group several times, and eventually a non-technical manager with more seniority than me was brought in.

Although I was highly effective, well-reviewed, and never had issues with other managers, the non-technical manager and I dealt with all of the classic issues that come up in this scenario: unrealistic deadlines and expectations, scope creep, etc. I tried to deal with this in an ego-less, professional manner, but he took our issues personally and lobbied HR to have me fired.

At that point, after all of the re-organizations, I was the only dev left on my team, and my other managers who I had good relationships with had moved on. I had no one to vouch for me. I believe that if I had worked in an office, in a less silo-ed manner, I would have had more opportunities to network with other developers within the company and my accomplishments would have been more visible, which would have at least allowed me to switch teams.

Instead, I was quietly led out the back door and disappeared.

In a remote company it's a lot easier to be fired. It's a lot more difficult to resolve interpersonal issues over IRC than face-to-face. There is a huge amount of value to passing people randomly in the hallway, by "the watercooler," or at a social event. These kinds of relationships are critical and are just not replicable via remote work.

Re: Ask HN: Has working remotely harmed your career growth?

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Working remotely pretty much destroyed my career for two reasons: (1) my networking opportunities plummeted to zero and (2) I was fired for reasons I believe could have been avoided if I had worked in an office and had stronger relationships with more co-workers. My remote job was at a fully distributed company with good compensation. I worked there for about five years, receiving only positive reviews. Groups in the…

The last thing I'll add since edits don't seem to be working ...

My advice to you is that unless you are at the end of your career, or value working from home over your career prospects for family or health reasons, avoid working 100% remotely, even in fully distributed companies. The ideal is a situation where you work in an office, but have a flexible schedule where you can work from home 1-2 days a week, or 1-2 months a year.

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