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I wonder if Altman bought this up when he was in China.
EDIT: whoever modded me down, take a look at http://blog.samaltman.com/china or https://techcrunch.com/video/sam-altman-of-yc-china-remains-...
> China bans all activists' commemorations and highly regulates online discussion of the incident, including censoring criticism. But it is marked annually by activists elsewhere in the world, particularly in Hong Kong and Taiwan. [Emphasis added.]
Hong Kong is part of China, albeit as a special administrative region. So does the ban not apply in HK? Or does it apply in theory, but in practice is not enforced? Or are HK-based activists just more willing to flout the ban?
This bit confused me: > China bans all activists' commemorations and highly regulates online discussion of the incident, including censoring criticism. But it is marked annually by activists elsewhere in the world, particularly in Hong Kong and Taiwan. [Emphasis added.] Hong Kong is part of China, albeit as a special administrative region. So does the ban not apply in HK? Or does it apply in theory, but in practice i…
It is becoming very clear however, that a serious crackdown from Beijing is coming. Not on this particular incident, but in general on the political freedom in Hong Kong. It is becoming undeniable China demanded Hong Kong back in order to destroy it.
But when it will arrive. Good question.
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Reading that made me feel physically sick, and then the line afterwards about the girls begging for their lives who were bayonetted. Just awful. I have, and probably always will, find Chinese culture somewhat fascinating but I have no love for their political regime.
Yup in contrast the American regime has about 1000x [1] the death toll but at least those people weren't bulldozed and it didn't make you and me feel too bad. Calling the other side evil is easy. Spotting hypocrisy is easy. Doing something about hyprocisy is much harder. It involves admitting to ourselves that all of us are capable of doing dumb shit. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
Firstly, I'm not sure we're reading the same article, but by my summary count, the total death toll for all combined US war crimes detailed in that article isn't much more than 10,000.
Next, the veracity of some of those claims is questionable at best.
Finally, it should be noted that the Tiananmen Square protests, were, in fact, protests. This was not an action against civilians during war time, this was an action taken by a government against it's own citizens who were protesting.
Is killing unarmed soldiers or civilians in war time justified? Generally no. But it's a different type of crime when you're in the middle of a war zone. Humans don't deal well with the insane nature of war, and so they do horrible things. That's not an excuse, mind you. But I think collateral damage in a war and civilian casualties in a war zone are very different scenarios than Tiananmen Square.
It's sad that we keep feeding this dangerous psychopath which threatens democracy and freedom worldwide. This psychopath will eventually cause harm to a few countries (Taiwan, South Korea) when said and done, maybe enable North Korea to strike a few nuclear missiles into Los Angeles or Tokyo, who knows.
What did they do with all the bodies? "Students linked arms but were mown down including soldiers. APCs then ran over bodies time and time again to make 'pie' and remains collected by bulldozer. Remains incinerated and then hosed down drains.“
Reading that made me feel physically sick, and then the line afterwards about the girls begging for their lives who were bayonetted. Just awful. I have, and probably always will, find Chinese culture somewhat fascinating but I have no love for their political regime.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yup in contrast the American regime has about 1000x [1] the death toll but at least those people weren't bulldozed and it didn't make you and me feel too bad. Calling the other side evil is easy. Spotting hypocrisy is easy. Doing something about hyprocisy is much harder. It involves admitting to ourselves that all of us are capable of doing dumb shit. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
Yes, comparing the entire history of American war crimes against one domestic incident in China will give you a much bigger American death toll number. A fairer comparison would include Mao's killing of 45 million of his citizens.
This bit confused me: > China bans all activists' commemorations and highly regulates online discussion of the incident, including censoring criticism. But it is marked annually by activists elsewhere in the world, particularly in Hong Kong and Taiwan. [Emphasis added.] Hong Kong is part of China, albeit as a special administrative region. So does the ban not apply in HK? Or does it apply in theory, but in practice i…
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, comparing the entire history of American war crimes against one domestic incident in China will give you a much bigger American death toll number. A fairer comparison would include Mao's killing of 45 million of his citizens.
Still not fair comparison, as these were also "their own". Not saying "us vs. them" is something to aspire to, but I think we can all agree that a military's responsibility to their own populace is a bit larger than their responsibility to an enemy populace.
If the poster's gonna compare apples to oranges, though, they should at least compare the full apple instead of a tiny sliver of it.
This bit confused me: > China bans all activists' commemorations and highly regulates online discussion of the incident, including censoring criticism. But it is marked annually by activists elsewhere in the world, particularly in Hong Kong and Taiwan. [Emphasis added.] Hong Kong is part of China, albeit as a special administrative region. So does the ban not apply in HK? Or does it apply in theory, but in practice i…
The last one. There's no stopping these activites in Hong Kong. (for the moment) It is becoming very clear however, that a serious crackdown from Beijing is coming. Not on this particular incident, but in general on the political freedom in Hong Kong. It is becoming undeniable China demanded Hong Kong back in order to destroy it. But when it will arrive. Good question.