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How the Rohingya Escaped

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Re: How the Rohingya Escaped

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Post by candiodari »

gressquel wrote: post #41
mmanfrin wrote: post #29

We are failing refugees the world over. This is heartbreaking, and so is the situation in Syria, in South Sudan, in Eritrea, and in countless other places. And I don't feel like we're getting any better and we're certainly doing no better at preventing these crises. With the world getting more crowded, is there an end in sight? This piece reminded me a bit of the self-recorded documentary of a Syrian woman trying to…

And Yemen. The US cannot solve every conflict in the world but I wish it would atleast stand up against the thhird party countries that backs vile murderous regimes. Russia in Syria and China in Myanmar (and they are also starting to influence other countries in Asia). We, the oppressed peopleof this world, needs a stronger US. Not the one retreating as under Trump.

I am sure this has nothing to do with it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Co...

Nothing at all I say !

Re: How the Rohingya Escaped

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Post by forkLding »

Its quite a good example of the old saying: "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself becoming the villain".

As well the blatant irony of her Nobel Peace Prize status, I can see a lot of international fans' heartbroken.

Re: How the Rohingya Escaped

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Post by forkLding »

gressquel wrote: post #41
mmanfrin wrote: post #29

We are failing refugees the world over. This is heartbreaking, and so is the situation in Syria, in South Sudan, in Eritrea, and in countless other places. And I don't feel like we're getting any better and we're certainly doing no better at preventing these crises. With the world getting more crowded, is there an end in sight? This piece reminded me a bit of the self-recorded documentary of a Syrian woman trying to…

And Yemen. The US cannot solve every conflict in the world but I wish it would atleast stand up against the thhird party countries that backs vile murderous regimes. Russia in Syria and China in Myanmar (and they are also starting to influence other countries in Asia). We, the oppressed peopleof this world, needs a stronger US. Not the one retreating as under Trump.

We dont need a stronger US, we need a world less dominated by so-called superpowers like USA, China etc.

There was strong US influence on Latin American and Middle Eastern dictatorships. Absolute power corrupts all as USA domination on the world would mean more countries having to comply to USA interests.

I believe rather the world will become a decentralized world govt under a UN where countries are abolished for regions instead of artifically created nation states that was predefined through conquering and colonization. Where we dont define humanity based on countries but as one single species.

Re: How the Rohingya Escaped

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Post by org3432 »

candiodari wrote: post #60
xir78 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be interesting to see a candid interview with what the real reason for not liking then is. I suspect it’s rooted in the Muslim conquests which are still mentioned in Buddhist texts. Needless to say the Muslim religion is not held in much regard due to that, as opposed to Hinduism which is considered worthy of debating.

The problem is that this reaction is at least somewhat understandable. It may have something to do with how muslims treat buddhists (or any non-muslims), near Myanmar ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Banglad... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Pakista... (note: relevant because Pakistan used to be a neighbouring country to Myanmar/Burma) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedo…

Unfortunately this is a known chess move and some religions use it, letting their own people be harmed for a "greater good".

Muslims conquests wiped out much of Buddhism in India, so it's likely a concern on everyone's mind. They are well known today for destroying Nalanda: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_Buddhism_in_the_Ind...

Re: How the Rohingya Escaped

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Post by sbmthakur »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #7

Incredibly moving. One of the more impactful interactive reports by the NYTimes. There’s talk about trying to get Aung San Suu Kyi to the ICC. People complained about Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize, but all objective reports show credible allegations of true modern genocide (shocking for a word meaninglessly bandied about so often) in Kyi’s case, giving the prize a new low with a recipient going from Oslo to The…

How is it possible? I recall that Myanmar is not a signatory to ICC.

Re: How the Rohingya Escaped

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Post by sbmthakur »

gressquel wrote: post #32

Writing this on my iPad so excuse my spelling errors: There is so much evil in this world, what the Rohingya face today my own people endured in 2009. At the hands of thr Sri Lankan government, who also happens to be buddhistic, ten thousands of innocent Tamils were massacred. Women and children raped. Babies murdered. The UN wrote a huge report findng the Sri Lankan government guilty only for China and Russia to vet…

It's unfortunate that you hope a lot from the US establishment. In the past, the US has supported rogue regimes like Pakistan and Khmer rouge, who had actively commited genocide. Don't get me wrong. I am not a US hatemonger. I admire the US for liberating the world from the worst tyrant in human history. However, in modern times unless your region is identified as "strategic", I don't think you are going to get any help from them. I would say, your best bet is the EU.

Re: How the Rohingya Escaped

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Post by vixen99 »

jdietrich wrote: post #49
jansho wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s an extremely simplistic way of seeing it though. The Rohingya were simple people, mostly poor, and lived in Myanmar for generations; religion would be a code of life for them, not a political tool. It’s likely the opposite for the monks and their followers though; Buddhism is about peace, fundamentally and (in nearly all cases) in practice. My patience with Aung San Suu Kyi has run out completely. Too little s…

>Buddhism is about peace, fundamentally and (in nearly all cases) in practice. There's a slight subtlety to this. Buddhist ethics are very different to Judeo-Christian ethics. The Buddhist equivalent to "thou shalt not kill" is the first of the five precepts, "panatipata veramani sikkhapadam samadiyami", which loosely translates to "I undertake the rule of training to refrain from killing living beings". This is not…

'I do think that the western media has presented a grossly over-simplified narrative'. As usual. The MSM I see (BBC World/CNN) is a joke. I feel like applauding on the rare occasions I get to see an objective assessment of an issue without the propaganda.

Re: How the Rohingya Escaped

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Post by Pica_soO »

strooper wrote: post #34

While the media portraits Rohingya Crisis as religious conflict, it is actually ethnic crisis. UN describes it as ethnic cleansing. Although most of the Rohingya are muslim, Bamar (major ethnic Burmese) hate them calling them "Bengalis" (people from neighboring Bangladesh), despite Rohingyas living there for hundreds of years. The racism and prejudice flared the crisis soon after the military came to power decades ag…

Yes, its never the religion. The religion gets people to have eight kids, but if that piled up social explosive blows up, it wasn't the religion. The religion declares gods and therefore society's laws hack-able and circumvent-able - and the society reacts violent to the hacking- that wasn't the religion. A religion declares it ethically noble to pursuit selfish interests at all costs to the weaker parties and the future of the planet- and when disaster strikes, it wasn't the religion. Its the individual, its the state, but its never the core-software that declares instinct-interests a deity having bugs and needing a rewrite.

Intellectual Dignity, these feely-discussions lack it.

Re: How the Rohingya Escaped

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Post by nradov »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #7

Incredibly moving. One of the more impactful interactive reports by the NYTimes. There’s talk about trying to get Aung San Suu Kyi to the ICC. People complained about Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize, but all objective reports show credible allegations of true modern genocide (shocking for a word meaninglessly bandied about so often) in Kyi’s case, giving the prize a new low with a recipient going from Oslo to The…

The notorious corrupt terrorist Yasser Arafat also won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994 so it's impossible to take that award seriously.

Re: How the Rohingya Escaped

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Post by nradov »

forkLding wrote: post #63
gressquel wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Yemen. The US cannot solve every conflict in the world but I wish it would atleast stand up against the thhird party countries that backs vile murderous regimes. Russia in Syria and China in Myanmar (and they are also starting to influence other countries in Asia). We, the oppressed peopleof this world, needs a stronger US. Not the one retreating as under Trump.

We dont need a stronger US, we need a world less dominated by so-called superpowers like USA, China etc. There was strong US influence on Latin American and Middle Eastern dictatorships. Absolute power corrupts all as USA domination on the world would mean more countries having to comply to USA interests. I believe rather the world will become a decentralized world govt under a UN where countries are abolished for re…

Good luck getting countries to agree to abolish themselves. What's the incentive for national politicians to ever agree to that?
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