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Re: Bitcoin and almost every other cryptocurrency crashed hard today

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Algorithm is defined by consensus. Changing the algorithm just means gaining consensus amongst the miners. "Would you like to continue printing free money?" sounds like an easy sell to me.

You know what? That's a good point, and a problem with the Bitcoin end game. As Bitcoin mining gets harder and more of the value ends up entirely in the already-mined BTC, those with all this mining infrastructure are going to realize they can maximize this otherwise-stranded-asset by monopolizing mining power and developing a consensus to allow them to continue printing money. "But transaction fees!" Okay, but if tr…

Of course it's a good point, it's one of mine ;)

My expectation is we'll end up with "to avoid a hard cliff between a network reliant on mining and one reliant on transaction fees (and the inevitable instability of the transition), and to ensure a robust mining ecosystem, we're going to extend mining, at a reduced rate, for just a few more months..."

And there's an apparent benefit for end-users, too - if you want Bitcoin to be a practical payments mechanism (as opposed to store of value), transaction fees have to be kept comparable to credit cards. But the electricity used by the network still has to be paid for. What could be more tempting than magicing a few more bitcoin out of thin air to pay the miners?

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Serious question: what value would gold have in a post-apocalyptic world? If I'm selling something, why should I take gold in exchange for it, instead of something useful, like ammunition or food or water?

> Serious question: what value would gold have in a post-apocalyptic world? If I'm selling something, why should I take gold in exchange for it, instead of something useful, like ammunition or food or water? What if the people who want your goat don't have what you want to immediately consume but you know for sure Bob down the street (who doesn't particularly like goats) will trade ammo for gold?

Why would Bob take my gold? More importantly, why would he take my gold and not my dollar bills?

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>"If a US company is paid in euros or gold it still needs to pay taxes in dollars" And similarly if a European company is paid in dollars they still need to pay taxes in Euros. Why is this relevant? >"As owning land creates a liability, but land in no way creates money from thin air." Owning land creates money out of thin air by appreciating in value. People have gotten fantastically wealthy by doing nothing except l…

> This is not unique to the US Sure, and Euros are also backed by the EU economy. The point is 'national' currency's are actually backed up by enforced demand unlike say Ethereum. People talk about hyper inflation as if it can actually happen without the backing government printing money. The reality is taxes limit inflation as long as the currency is not printed endlessly and the government does not over spend you c…

>"Sure, and Euros are also backed by the EU economy. The point is 'national' currency's are actually backed up by enforced demand unlike say Ethereum"

I agree with this but that's also the main differentiator is that the "legal tender" of a country backed up by enforced demand while Bitcoin and backed up purely by supply and demand. I think I misunderstood your point with regards to the tax examples.

However I don't agree that inflation can not be controlled exclusively through taxes. That is but one component the much bigger lever being the monetary policy of the central bank.

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> It was almost as if the entire cryptocurrency space had turned into a huge unregulated casino. [/thread]. That's really what it is, but instead of casino, call it a stock market. With that one there's a lot of regulation in place - including new European legislation, MiFID II ( http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-14-305_en.htm ), which in part is aimed at protecting clueless investors from themselves. The cry…

I agree and disagree. I agree that currently it's purely based on speculative supply and demand. But I disagree that's what cryptocurrency is. Bitcoin became popular because people actually used it to buy and sell stuff in the early days. And its main value was that it could provide very low transaction fee. Nowadays that's become impossible because the BTC transaction fee has risen to a ridiculous state. For somethi…

The answer is pick another coin to replace btc... It'll always be flawed. 1st gen stuff usually dies eventually.

Ardor I think is going to replace a lot of the current coins out there... it solves a lot of the technical issues, has child chains a much faster and more secure network, etc...

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As someone who owns and believes in cryptocurrency, I'm actually glad this happened. I was getting sick of all the get rich quick people who've been driving the price lately, even for the coins that shouldn't be pumping. It was almost as if the entire cryptocurrency space had turned into a huge unregulated casino. I was at a couple of Bitcoin meetups recently and was surprised to find that most attendees were proudly…

I am still trying to find fundamental cryptocurrency developments in 2017. 2011 were the first steps in BTC usability. 2013 was the rise of alt-coins and also BTC became actually usable(mostly due to Bitpay and Gyft) 2017 it seems all speculation. So let's take top (by market value on 12/22/2017) crypto-currencies: 1. Bitcoin - first mover, slow, expensive to use pivoted to store of value 2. Ethereum - smart contract…

Mark my words -- by the end of 2018, Ardor will be in the top 5 list if it doesn't unseat Ethereum.

Re: Bitcoin and almost every other cryptocurrency crashed hard today

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A lot of conspiracy theory type lingo in those tweet. Really reminds me of they type of stuff I'd see from Trump supporters or other crazies.

https://medium.com/@untetheredbtc/how-the-tether-usdt-distri...

Dude can't even get his dates correct across a few paragraphs for the "EXTERNAL USD AUDIT" (one of either 02/01/2018 or 6th February 2018) and we are expected to believe them to be credible?

Re: Bitcoin and almost every other cryptocurrency crashed hard today

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Serious question: who didn't expect this? Did anybody think that the 19K high of last week was going to be the new normal?

I wanted to short bitcoin, I predicted a price correction of -50% after the CBOE and CME futures came online, and well, here we are. Unfortunately I can't post 200% margin even on a 20k contract :( edit: The futures markets may not have even been the catalyst for this drop, more likely it's this: "The market has also been artificially pumped up by Bitfinex and their money printing machine Tether."

bitcoin was just overpriced a little. that is all.

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Rules? Isn't one of the founding principles that it's unregulated.

Rule #1: Human nature has implicit, immutable rules.

Rule #2: stop bullshitting yourself, there are no rules.

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> This is not unique to the US Sure, and Euros are also backed by the EU economy. The point is 'national' currency's are actually backed up by enforced demand unlike say Ethereum. People talk about hyper inflation as if it can actually happen without the backing government printing money. The reality is taxes limit inflation as long as the currency is not printed endlessly and the government does not over spend you c…

>"Sure, and Euros are also backed by the EU economy. The point is 'national' currency's are actually backed up by enforced demand unlike say Ethereum" I agree with this but that's also the main differentiator is that the "legal tender" of a country backed up by enforced demand while Bitcoin and backed up purely by supply and demand. I think I misunderstood your point with regards to the tax examples. However I don't…

I am more talking about the long term. Total value of all currency is going to be +/- some % * k of GDP so over say 100 years you get minimal average inflation or deflation and the average keeps dropping as you increase to say 200 years etc.

But, even if it's value is stable in the long term that's arguably less important than month to month and year to year stability because you need to make loan payments today or buy food today etc.

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Good for him, your friend has every right to protect his life and property. We could rely on police, but all the police can be guaranteed to protect is his body after they show up 5 minutes too late.

I love protecting my life by shooting people. I don't think any society that didn't allow that could be considered free.

Aren't you usually dramatically less likely to get shot in those societies?
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