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Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

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Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

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I'll buy a $3000 MacBook Pro if you bring back USB ports, an SD slot, an HDMI port, a user replaceable battery. And the escape key. But no, why don't you just leave this money on the table instead and I'll make do with the 2013 model. You go on ahead, Apple, wondering how to ignite more revenue growth.

thanks to everyone for putting a totally off-topic post at the top.

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

#62

What's the average upgrade cycle of iphone users? I feel like there's diminishing features in every new iteration of phones in general now. I have a few years old Xperia Z2 and have been looking at new phones in stores when I'm near one. Cool screen, this and that, but in general absolutely nothing that I would need to buy vs what I have, and I'm even inclined towards parting ways with cash for it - just can't find a…

I would imagine a lot of people are on 12 month upgrade cycles. Either going straight through the carrier's 12 month program, or the iPhone Upgrade Program.

In the US, most carriers push a 24-month upgrade cycle, and charge a lot more for 12-month upgrades.

Even the Apple Upgrade program is a 24-month cycle. Although there is no real penalty for upgrading after 12 months, there is a charge of more than $100.

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

#63

Apple's getting lazy. Clearly drowning in money doesn't do much to motivate employees. Given Apple's deep pockets and platform ownership, how is it that Spotify is still alive? How is it the Apple Maps is still lagging Google Maps so profoundly? Or that Apple can't muster any response to Netflix at all? Let's not even get into the farcical self-driving car project they aborted Apple has now had years and unlimited fu…

> how is it that Spotify is still alive? How is it the Apple Maps is still lagging Google Maps so profoundly?

It could be that tech expertise and data aren't fungible.

> Or that Apple can't muster any response to Netflix at all?

Nor have they mustered a response to Johnson & Johnson—hell, they haven't even overtaken Snapple, who are only the _third_ largest soft drink business in the US.

> Let's not even get into the farcical self-driving car project they aborted

Actually, let's. I'd love to hear what you know about it.

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

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I'll buy a $3000 MacBook Pro if you bring back USB ports, an SD slot, an HDMI port, a user replaceable battery. And the escape key. But no, why don't you just leave this money on the table instead and I'll make do with the 2013 model. You go on ahead, Apple, wondering how to ignite more revenue growth.

You don't have to get the touch bar, FYI. Most CS people I know opt to go without it and miss pretty much nothing. I agree with the pain of USB-C, but one hub for home and one mobile adapter can solve all that. It's not as bad as people make it out to be.

The non-touchbar model has (IIRC) a weaker processor, and removes two of the USB-C ports for no reason aside from Apple's strong desire that you not buy it (instead paying way more for a Touch Bar you don't want, to get those two ports and higher speed back)

Plus it's still a little more expensive than the previous base model at launch, I think, despite being worse in quite a few ways.

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

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the cost of new phones has really changed my purchasing behavior. when it was $200-$300 to upgrade with a contract renewal, I tended to get a new phone with every iteration, regardless of the new features or condition of my current phone. Now that the latest phones are $700+, or $40+ per month with insurance, I evaluate the purchase in the same way I've always looked at new laptops/desktops. If the current model meet…

The price hasn't changed, just your experience of the price.

I buy my phones unlocked for megabucks, and save $15/mo over 2 years (=$360), don't have to deal with carrier locking restrictions, etc. Then when I upgrade, I sell the old one.

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

#66

The problem with the iPhone X is its only selling point is the huge screen. It looks cool, perhaps. But it doesn't really bring anything new or useful to the design, and requires so many compromises: the (less secure and less convenient) Face ID instead of Touch ID, no home button, all the basic OS functionality having completely different gestures or button sequences than before, the notch at the top covering the sc…

I hate the freaking Face ID... With my iPhone 7 unlocking was second nature. Almost never had to enter the pin. With the iPhone X I found my self, entering the pin at least 50% of the times. Usually when I'm in bed and this thing can't get a good shot of my face (because my face is smooshed into my pillow) or when I'm at work and I have the phone flat on my desk. They can try to defend Face ID as much as they want bu…

It really depends, I guess.

Touch ID often failed for me. Every time my hands were ever so slightly damp or sweaty, Touch ID failed.

Face ID almost always works. It works while running, while cooking, when wearing gloves, and even in the bath tub.

It does fail when I‘m wearing a dust mask, but it‘s probably not a good idea to bring the iPhone to the workshop anyway.

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

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I'll buy a $3000 MacBook Pro if you bring back USB ports, an SD slot, an HDMI port, a user replaceable battery. And the escape key. But no, why don't you just leave this money on the table instead and I'll make do with the 2013 model. You go on ahead, Apple, wondering how to ignite more revenue growth.

I'm still powering through with a mid-2009 Core2Duo. I've wanted to upgrade for a while now, but just don't feel an unassailable 'oomph' to do it. Lots of folks say the 2015 rMBP is the gold standard best laptop Apple has ever put out, and I can't disagree. I'd drop some serious cash in a heartbeat for a brand new model that touches on those notes, but the new MBPs just are not even close to where they should be.

I used a 2011 MBP for 6 years until the GPU finally failed, and then downgraded to a 2010 MBP. For most things, I hardly notice any issues with it being underpowered, and I intend to keep using this indefinitely until it no longer functions and isn't easily repairable.

I'm unmotivated to buy a new computer I can't repair myself as easily or replace the batteries when they wear out, because I like using my computers for 5 to 10 years and run them into the ground.

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

#68

I'll buy a $3000 MacBook Pro if you bring back USB ports, an SD slot, an HDMI port, a user replaceable battery. And the escape key. But no, why don't you just leave this money on the table instead and I'll make do with the 2013 model. You go on ahead, Apple, wondering how to ignite more revenue growth.

It's possible that Apple has analyzed the market and done some research and concluded that what you want would not generate enough profit vs. their current offerings. Your money that they left on the table is most likely dwarfed by the new found money they are getting. At least, if their research is correct.

Unit sales and revenue for notebooks fell for Apple from 2015 to 2016. It picked back up in 2017, but not enough to bring it back to 2015 levels.

That suggests that the shitty keyboard (which improved mildly in 2017) is a not insignificant factor at the margins.

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post #64
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to get the touch bar, FYI. Most CS people I know opt to go without it and miss pretty much nothing. I agree with the pain of USB-C, but one hub for home and one mobile adapter can solve all that. It's not as bad as people make it out to be.

The non-touchbar model has (IIRC) a weaker processor, and removes two of the USB-C ports for no reason aside from Apple's strong desire that you not buy it (instead paying way more for a Touch Bar you don't want, to get those two ports and higher speed back) Plus it's still a little more expensive than the previous base model at launch, I think, despite being worse in quite a few ways.

True, but that worse processor and -2 USB-C ports that I would never use thanks to having to have a hub anyways saves $500. Enough to upgrade the processor to an i7.

> Plus it's still a little more expensive than the previous base model at launch, I think, despite being worse in quite a few ways.

Besides USB-C, what else is worse compared to the previous model? I had the model before, so not too familiar.

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

#70

The problem with the iPhone X is its only selling point is the huge screen. It looks cool, perhaps. But it doesn't really bring anything new or useful to the design, and requires so many compromises: the (less secure and less convenient) Face ID instead of Touch ID, no home button, all the basic OS functionality having completely different gestures or button sequences than before, the notch at the top covering the sc…

Wasting all that space for the Home button was crazy.

Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion but please don't speak for everyone. My girlfriend and I love our X's. FaceID doesn't seem to work well when I'm in bed, but touch id was lot more painful. Now you can say "Hey Siri, open mail" without touching your phone.

My only real [iOS] complaint with Apple is that Siri isn't getting smarter. Amazon or Google is going to deliver the first voice UI:

https://h4labs.wordpress.com/2017/12/13/voice-as-a-user-inte...

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