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Re: FCC Fines Sinclair Broadcast Group $13.4M for Running Sponsored Content as News

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Some racists (e.g. Strom Thurmond) switched parties, but in general the Republicans were never as racist as the Democrats historically were. They didn't have to be. Popular support for racism has been on the decline for more than a hundred years, and the remaining racists no longer trusted the Dems so the Republicans never had to give them anything or even really promise to give them anything to get their votes. This…

> This is kinda sorta true, but it neglects to mention that the "Southern Strategy"[1] was a real thing Sure it was a thing. The Democrats gave their base a swift kick in the teeth and the Republicans saw a bunch of easy votes. Realpolitik in action. The whole dog whistle thing gives it away. If your base is actually full of racists then you just go out and say overtly racist things and never take it back, because yo…

You seem to be is strong agreement with everyone here, but managing to make it sound like you disagree. I think?

Re: FCC Fines Sinclair Broadcast Group $13.4M for Running Sponsored Content as News

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This is like 5% of their net income, so a slap on the wrist. They control more than 40% of the local news market. The FTC needs to break them up, not keep approving their continued growth.

Isn't that still alot? How much should the fine be?

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This is like 5% of their net income, so a slap on the wrist. They control more than 40% of the local news market. The FTC needs to break them up, not keep approving their continued growth.

Isn't that still alot? How much should the fine be?

Just fyi: http://www.writersdigest.com/editor-blogs/questions-and-quan...

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Falsely shouting "fire!" in a crowded theatre incites behavior that is knowingly contrary to the well-being of the patrons. (Also, some defenders of the first amendment argue that this is protected speech, but let's ignore that for now.) Imagine I pay a news station to run a story about a hospital (for example) which I believe to have saved many lives and I expect will continue to do so. Arguably my advertisement is…

Imagine if you will an absurdly constructed hypothetical argument.

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Isn't that still alot? How much should the fine be?

Just fyi: http://www.writersdigest.com/editor-blogs/questions-and-quan...

Thanks for that.

FYI http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2013/09/lan...

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> But all educated Americans know that the parties flipped their positions in the 1960s when Dems under LBJ courageously pushed out the racists to pass the Civil Rights Act and the racists moved to the Republicans. That is an oversimplification. What happened is that overtly racist policies fell out of favor. People talk about structural racism today, but nobody can say with a straight face that it's the same now as…

Well said. I’m amazed by how blind history is to LBJ’s racist roots. LBJ was a life-long cold blooded political operative. His “courage” was strategic. And it worked.

Your critique of the civil rights bill is that the person who passed it was a politician?

Re: FCC Fines Sinclair Broadcast Group $13.4M for Running Sponsored Content as News

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I think people know, but Sinclair is the emerging threat to American public debate that is controlled by conservative owners. Sinclair requires their local affilate TV stations to run conservative-biased segments. In one case last year Sinclair lied about Hillary and the Democrats -- they required their local affiliates to run this segment -- saying viewers "should not vote for Hillary because Ds were historically pr…

While I don't disagree there are currently some racists/supremacists who are also registered Republicans, unless Republicans suddenly were a pro-slavery party in the 1960's, "flipped positions" isn't really accurate in that regard. Also the 1964 Civil Rights bill was voted along party lines like this: House: Democrats: 63% yea. House: Republicans: 80% yea. Senate: Democrats: 69% yea. Senate: Republicans: 82% yea. In…

1) Do you think the modern Democratic Party has more or less conservatives then it did in the ‘60’s? Do you think there are more or fewer liberals?

2) Do you think the modern Republican Party has more or less conservatives then it did in the ‘60’s? Do you think there are more or fewer liberals?

3) Do you think conservatives voted for or against the civil rights bill? Do you think conservative ideology has distinct preferences against civil rights?

4) Do you think liberals voted for or against the civil rights bill? Do you think liberal ideology has distinct preferences against civil rights?

I find a lot of people are able to get away with a lot of political sophistry because they can skillfully abuse peoples lack of historical and political knowledge. I find this problem is especially pernicious regarding the civil rights act, because this was right around the time that the political parties were undergoing major changes in their makeup, so people concern trolling are often able to ambiguate ideology, political affiliation and the structures of political parties in such a way as to push the deceptive and deceitful lie that liberals are or were pro-slavery.

I find a lot of those tactics being used in your arguments, so as an exercise I like to help people disambiguate facts from cleverly positioned lies and see if their claims still hold up. I suspect your argument is weak and based on conflating political ideology with political affiliation.

Re: FCC Fines Sinclair Broadcast Group $13.4M for Running Sponsored Content as News

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The "shouting fire in a theater" example is a poor comparison, because it likely is allowed under the first amendment[0][1]. It may not be in the public interest, but as far as I know, the FCC does not regulate theaters. [0]: https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-tim... [1]: https://www.popehat.com/2015/05/19/how-to-spot-and-critique-...

That's ridiculous. Shouting fire in a theater would be covered under 18 U.S. Code 2102 - inciting a riot (assuming anyone took you seriously). There's absolutely no way that's protected under free speech, and there are countless examples of previous trials to back it up. People like the guy you link are ridiculous and just want to be the smartest guy in the room. In 2017, people using the phrase are obviously not ref…

... under 18 U.S. Code 2102 - inciting a riot...

No law can override the first amendment. The only question is if the first amendment protects it. If it does, then that law is unconstitutional along with any other law that attempts to infringe on it.

To say that a law supersedes the constitution would make the constitution a worthless document.

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"The Supreme Court has noted that the FCC has an expansive mandate to ensure broadcasters operate in the public interest." (National Broadcasting Co. v. U.S., 319 U.S. 190, 219 (1943).) It's like shouting fire in a theater when there is none - that would not be in the public interest. Neither is broadcasting lies to deceive the public.

Falsely shouting "fire!" in a crowded theatre incites behavior that is knowingly contrary to the well-being of the patrons. (Also, some defenders of the first amendment argue that this is protected speech, but let's ignore that for now.) Imagine I pay a news station to run a story about a hospital (for example) which I believe to have saved many lives and I expect will continue to do so. Arguably my advertisement is…

You solve this very easily one of two ways:

1) Clearly labeling that the content you're showing is sponsored.

or

2) Not accepting payment and running the story

Stations do this all the time. It's called 1) Advertising or 2) News.

Re: FCC Fines Sinclair Broadcast Group $13.4M for Running Sponsored Content as News

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Some racists (e.g. Strom Thurmond) switched parties, but in general the Republicans were never as racist as the Democrats historically were. They didn't have to be. Popular support for racism has been on the decline for more than a hundred years, and the remaining racists no longer trusted the Dems so the Republicans never had to give them anything or even really promise to give them anything to get their votes. This…

Not to mention some pretty solid data about where the anti Black racists reside. It's hard to imagine a Klan member being a Democrat, within the past few decades. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/04/1...

Senator Robert Byrd was a Democrat and a KKK member. Although, when it become a bad move politically to be a KKK member he left and started saying he regretted it.

I don't think all the Democratic politicians who were originally racist suddenly had a change of heart. It's my personal opinion that politicians are generally sociopaths, so it isn't a strange thing to me that most of the Democratic politicians suddenly started singing a different tune when they saw the writing on the wall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

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