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Re: Belarus to create a regulatory environment for circulation of cryptocurrencies

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So we're all setting up shop in Belarus to get our Crypto profits tax-free?

Belarus is finishing its first nuclear power station and wants to use the surplus capacity. Initially, they planned to sell it to Baltic countries, but these are in the EU, so it is not yet sure they will cut a deal. EU has a huge anti-nuclear, pro-carbon lobby.

Yeah, Lithuania making big deal out of this nuclear station. They aren't happy that it's based close to the border and they trying to say that it's not safe, blah-blah-blah, nobody will buy electricity and so on. Other countries don't have issues with this station though, EU checked it and found everything within norms. But every time something happens at the construction, like they pour concrete at the wrong spot, Lithuania blows the whistle. Lukashenka said that it will be build no matter what, and neighbors will have to deal with it.

Re: Belarus to create a regulatory environment for circulation of cryptocurrencies

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Just FYI Belarus is not a democracy and the laws change at the whim of the rulers. Read the journal of this blogger who got arrested there https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/blogs-trending-38804499 , the people(the foreign nationals) who were in jail with him...

This blogger was arrested because Interpol issued warrant for his arrest. Belarus as law-abiding member of Interpol just complied with rules, he was extradited to the country that made request, afaik. I wouldn't trust the guy who broke the law on purpose. What he did is entered the territory using a fake passport, after he was specifically told by the government the he can't do this. And he did it not for any valid r…

> This blogger was arrested because Interpol issued warrant for his arrest

I am having trouble finding an independent source for this claim.

Re: Belarus to create a regulatory environment for circulation of cryptocurrencies

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So Belarus becomes tax heaven for crypto-currencies, but is it safe heaven? One can transfer money out of Belarus but then one's country tax collector will knock the door. And what if one day Mr Alexander decides to nationalize these companies including foreign currency assets?

Nothing is safe. A fact, that validity period of HTP's special legal status will be extended until Jan 2049, give us some level of confidence. It won't be that easy to turn around.

2049, not 2019.

Re: Belarus to create a regulatory environment for circulation of cryptocurrencies

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So we're all setting up shop in Belarus to get our Crypto profits tax-free?

Belarus is finishing its first nuclear power station and wants to use the surplus capacity. Initially, they planned to sell it to Baltic countries, but these are in the EU, so it is not yet sure they will cut a deal. EU has a huge anti-nuclear, pro-carbon lobby.

>EU has a huge anti-nuclear, pro-carbon lobby.What a patently absurd thing to say.

Re: Belarus to create a regulatory environment for circulation of cryptocurrencies

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Second Life is a virtual world where virtual stuff can be traded. Blockchain technology is real world technology. It can help to solve really challenging problems and make real world systems more efficient / productive / cost effective / autonomous. The two are in no way comparable... if you're looking for a comparison to Second Life which happens to use blockchain technology, check out Decentraland: https://decentra…

You're making the virtual/real world dichotomy with the hindsight of knowing that Second Life didn't go anywhere. People back then also called it a technology: it's a technology that allows e.g. in-person meetings without the need for displacement. It's a technology that disrupts physical space, the ultimate disruption! No, sorry, such dichotomy is irrelevant. What's relevant is that Second Life didn't get traction.…

Blockchains reached a valuation of $0.5 trillion and attracted all the biggest financial institutions (Goldman Sachs yesterday). Second Life traction never got even a fraction of that. Also Blockchain growth has been going for 9 years now, Second Life growth lasted 3 years (http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2011/11/why_...).

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Geographically, Turkey is not Europe, right?

Mostly not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Thrace Then again, what is Europe, geographically? If I count continents, I count something often call "eurasia" as one continent, not two. I think cutting it in two over some mountain rig is a bit, well, arbitrary.

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Re: Belarus to create a regulatory environment for circulation of cryptocurrencies

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We don't have oligarchs in Belarus :) Victor Prokopenia ( https://www.facebook.com/viktor.prokopenya ), one of the most famous investors and businessman from Belarus is the one who actually influenced these changes.

Victor Prokopenia was jailed in 2015 and detained for many months. Once he was released, he started consulting president's inner circles. This policy of carrot and stick is what prevents the appearance of oligarchs in Belarus. They are intimidated before they become too powerful to ignore. Very little information leaks about the reasons of such detentions and liberations.

The reasons are well known, budget needs money and rich people are good source of it.

Re: Belarus to create a regulatory environment for circulation of cryptocurrencies

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Just FYI Belarus is not a democracy and the laws change at the whim of the rulers. Read the journal of this blogger who got arrested there https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/blogs-trending-38804499 , the people(the foreign nationals) who were in jail with him...

> Just FYI Belarus is not a democracy

Democracies are overrated. It's not the "silver-bullet-regime", and has it's own set of flaws compared to others. Why is everyone thinking that living in a democracy makes de-facto your life better ?

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> I really do not think that calling some place "undemocratic" helps Democracies are more stable and tend to contain healthier economies, in the long run [1]. Commerce doesn't care about "what extend [ sic ]...rulers/rules promote or counter oppression." It is meaningful, on the other hand, to consider how long a regime (and thus one's investments) will last, the odds of your employees being jailed for falling out of…

> Democracies are more stable and tend to contain healthier economies, in the long run [1]. Good for the economies. But some great economies happen in non-democratic places. It tells me nothing. I'm more concerned with fighting oppression than promoting the growth of "healthier economy" (what ever that may mean). > It is meaningful, on the other hand, to consider how long a regime (and thus one's investments) will la…

> I do not believe investment creates jobs, I believe increased consumption and protective economic policy create jobs.

You are entitled to your beliefs, but factually you are completely wrong. Without investment, you have no goods to consume. A bicycle consists of many parts. You can’t buy a bicycle without someone willing to mine the metals necessary to make those parts. You can’t mine metals without money to hire people and buy equipment to extract and process those ores. Since people don’t work on contingency, it requires an investment in order to pay people and buy stuff to extract the ores and then someone has to buy the resulting metal and create the tooling to create bicycle parts — which requires capital.

Let’s say government can do all of that — where does government get the money? Taxes. Where do taxes come from? They come from taking a share of people’s production. If people aren’t producing anything, they have nothing to tax.

I suppose investment doesn’t create jobs if you have a society of pure slavery.

Protective economic policy doesn’t create jobs — it stifles them. North Korea isn’t known for its booming economy (or full employment) because they don’t have much outside investment.

Investment absolutely creates jobs because there is one human truth that can’t be escaped — people need to eat and thus they need to be paid. Getting by paid comes from capital and capital comes from investment.

Almost the entirety of Silicon Valley was built on investment. And that creates millions of jobs around the world. Apple alone employs hundreds of thousands in China — jobs that would not exist without investment. Don’t believe me? Have a look at the Chinese poverty and unemployment rates in 1970 long before they began opening up to outside investment.

I get it that’s many people seem to dream of a socialist utopia — however that is a fantasy. It doesn’t exist and it never has because people are fundamentally driven by their need to eat.

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But it would be better the government be driven by long-term and wider improvements like overall business law stabilization. This case is narrow short-term opportunity. Anyway I wish you guys good luck!

I agree, but they're making quite good steps now. This document also declares: `Investment according to English Law will be allowed.` The process takes time but Belarus slowly removes borders and getting better. From 2017, residents of 80+ countries (including entire EU and US) were allowed to enter Belarus without a visa for 5 days (subject to be extended even further)

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