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Re: Technical feasibility of regulating public Blockchain explored

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In my opinion, this article conflates two separate phenomena: technology and politics. Bitcoin is technology. It’s assembling different parts into a tool that people can choose to use. Much like a car is assembled from different parts. Regulation is politics. It’s a social phenomenon that concerns how we use the tools offered to us by technology. The issue is that most, if not all, tools can be used both ethically an…

Unfortunately with governments it's no longer about what makes sense but about what they can get away with. Much like you can expect a giant for-profit business to do anything to maximize its profit, one can expect a government to do what it can to maximise its control. That's just an observation.

Regulating cryptocurrencies can have the same effectiveness that regulating information exchange through the internet had. Yeah sure it can be a bit impractical or scary for most to go around artificial limitations imposed by their state but it is practically impossible to keep the really motivated from doing what they want.

Re: Technical feasibility of regulating public Blockchain explored

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slightly off-topic but something doesn't have to be hacked to be compromised. In my book, manipulation by government for political or plain self-interest reasons counts as compromising.

> manipulation by government for political or plain self-interest reasons counts as compromising Some countries, e.g. the Cayman Islands or Zimbabwe, peg (or have pegged) their currency to a foreign currency [1]. There has also been discussion of rule-based monetary policy [2], where central bankers' discretion is limited. A blockchain would be a stricter form of both, amplifying their benefits as well as downsides.…

Interesting information. I just think that the benefits of a trustless system are such that will warrant working around any downsides -even though we're not there yet.

Re: Technical feasibility of regulating public Blockchain explored

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Oh, there are countless ways governments can regulate crypto currencies without such regulation being built into the currencies themselves. Right now, crypto currencies are entirely useless for 99 percent of real world purchases. You cannot buy a cup of coffee with your satoshis. All you can do is to buy a few digital assets and a tiny fraction of the world's real assets. You might as well try to buy dinner with your…

Good arguments, but I think the most valid one is about land and property - a government, on the most fundamental level, is a force controlling an area.

However, the control can't really extend to remote work (I'm sure VR headsets will make it easy enough) - workers can live in N countries and it's not like the government will start controlling their every minute. Some countries will surely be on the crypto-economy side too.

And it's not like those countries will stay idle - people will be directly incentivised to immigrate to them. Some wars may be fought because of it, sanctions or dictators will try to prevent it.

But in the end there is nothing any government can do really: a tool now exists to send any kind of value any distance in a matter of a second, without a trace, using maybe even thoughts alone. It's as if a completely new law of physics suddenly appeared. Everyone will eventually have to adapt.

Re: Technical feasibility of regulating public Blockchain explored

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post #17

In my opinion, this article conflates two separate phenomena: technology and politics. Bitcoin is technology. It’s assembling different parts into a tool that people can choose to use. Much like a car is assembled from different parts. Regulation is politics. It’s a social phenomenon that concerns how we use the tools offered to us by technology. The issue is that most, if not all, tools can be used both ethically an…

> This reveals the fact that regulation has nothing to do with the tool itself

There are many regulations are about how certain things should look, for example, construction code, or food quality control. Even internet has been changed by regulation, like the EU data protection plan, it is just behind the scene, but greatly affects the way how company operates.

So I don't think there is a clear cut between regulation and things affected by it. There are intrusive ones and there are reactive ones. As to Bitcoin, I think it is probable that the regulatory body will require transparency for recognition of its legitimacy as a demand.

Re: Technical feasibility of regulating public Blockchain explored

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slightly off-topic but something doesn't have to be hacked to be compromised. In my book, manipulation by government for political or plain self-interest reasons counts as compromising.

> manipulation by government for political or plain self-interest reasons counts as compromising Some countries, e.g. the Cayman Islands or Zimbabwe, peg (or have pegged) their currency to a foreign currency [1]. There has also been discussion of rule-based monetary policy [2], where central bankers' discretion is limited. A blockchain would be a stricter form of both, amplifying their benefits as well as downsides.…

The Federal Reserve acts algorithmically. New money is only created when new loans are requested by big commercial banks, and those loans are demanded on behalf of retail loans, which are initiated in proportion with economic activity by economic actors. The only discretion involved is the interest rates on those loans, which indirectly controls people’s willingness to take out loans.

Re: Technical feasibility of regulating public Blockchain explored

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> compromising the central party gives you the keys to the kingdom What does this look like in practice? The Federal Reserve being hacked? Why would an immutable blockchain make that more pleasant than our current, reversible system where something like the 1933 eight-day bank holiday [1] is possible? Practically speaking, central banks get compromised by political factors much more frequently than by hackers. [1] ht…

Slightly off-topic but something doesn't have to be hacked to be compromised. In my book, manipulation by government for political or plain self-interest reasons counts as compromising.

> In my book, manipulation by government for political or plain self-interest reasons counts as compromising.

The problem is that «manipulation» by governments as you call it, is part of its toolkit, and a lot of empirical evidences shows that the cost of doing nothing when something should have been done is orders of magnitude worse than «manipulation for political reasons». Take for instance Germany is the 1920s: the hyper-inflation during the early 20s was a huge mess, but it had much lower consequences than the inaction after the crisis of 1929 with a huge economic slowdown caused by deflation.

A government not controlling its currency is catastrophic when something go wrong, you can see what happened to southern Europe during the last decade. I'm not saying the Quantitative Easing is the best way to go out of a financial crisis, but for sure it's better than doing nothing and waiting for the market to correct itself.[1]

Imo, people afraid of the Government and wanting to drastically limit its power are a bit like anti-vaxer: vaccines can indeed cause problems (and they do, a few people have dramatic secondary effects, like with any medicine) and must be controlled, but wanting to abolish them is suicidal. The anti-state psychology was understandable during the cold war, as people had a good example of what can happen when a government has total power on the economy and society as a whole, yet this irrational fear is really polluting the debate when it comes to defining the economic policies.

[1]: scientific evidences are hard to find in Economics, but this particular topic was the point of the Keynes / Hayek controversy during the great depression and, on this particular topic, Keynes proved right.

Re: Technical feasibility of regulating public Blockchain explored

#39
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slightly off-topic but something doesn't have to be hacked to be compromised. In my book, manipulation by government for political or plain self-interest reasons counts as compromising.

> In my book, manipulation by government for political or plain self-interest reasons counts as compromising. The problem is that «manipulation» by governments as you call it, is part of its toolkit, and a lot of empirical evidences shows that the cost of doing nothing when something should have been done is orders of magnitude worse than «manipulation for political reasons». Take for instance Germany is the 1920s: t…

> Imo, people afraid of the Government and wanting to drastically limit its power are a bit like anti-vaxer

I should remind you that 11 months ago, Donald Trump became the head of what's arguably the most powerful government in the world. I'm glad there are restrictions on the power of that government and very much concerned that they're not stringent enough.

While I do have some sympathy for anarchist positions, I don't think a complete abolition of government as we know it is likely to be pretty. That certainly doesn't mean government should have unlimited power. If we're using the last century or so to source our examples, the governments we've seen fail with disastrous results had fewer limits on their power than those that are still with us.

Re: Technical feasibility of regulating public Blockchain explored

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slightly off-topic but something doesn't have to be hacked to be compromised. In my book, manipulation by government for political or plain self-interest reasons counts as compromising.

> In my book, manipulation by government for political or plain self-interest reasons counts as compromising. The problem is that «manipulation» by governments as you call it, is part of its toolkit, and a lot of empirical evidences shows that the cost of doing nothing when something should have been done is orders of magnitude worse than «manipulation for political reasons». Take for instance Germany is the 1920s: t…

I'm not going to pretend I understand the intricacies of managing a modern economy in times of crisis and I can't argue with your historic examples. There are clearly problems that would require different solutions in a decentralised-driven economy.

However I think there are still a lot of things that a government could do too help its people in extreme situations, even if they were normally using a currency out of its control. Things that don't involve limiting the flow of currency or reducing its value.

The ideal of people being able to transact in a frictionless way, beyond borders and without having to deal with massive opaque entities (banks) just makes so much sense from my perspective that it's worth trying to find new solutions to any problems starting from that point.

I simply struggle to accept that an individual should suffer the consequences of an incompetent or malicious government in what should be a fundamental right (trading and securing your wealth). As a Greek I have experienced some of these consequences first-hand, in the form of capital controls and cross-border trading restrictions. People in other countries are experiencing them in a much more extreme scale.

But a citizen of a highly prosperous developed nation can still experience too much friction in day-to-day transactions that should be simple, a lot of which happens under the disguise of "your own security". Well, if someone wants to assume the responsibility of his own security, I don't see why he shouldn't be able to.

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