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Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage

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Re: Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage

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This should be a rallying cry to the developer community to stop using software with restrictive licenses. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw “Join us now and share the software!” In all seriousness anybody using CUDA should immediately start checking out and contributing to ROCm, AMD’s Open Source Compute Platform: https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm

While I agree with you, saying things like "dirty software hoarders" kind of kills your message.

Re: Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage

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post #61

This should be a rallying cry to the developer community to stop using software with restrictive licenses. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw “Join us now and share the software!” In all seriousness anybody using CUDA should immediately start checking out and contributing to ROCm, AMD’s Open Source Compute Platform: https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm

While I agree with you, saying things like "dirty software hoarders" kind of kills your message.

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Re: Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage

#63

If true then Nvidia has gone nuts. There is no way that they can control what end users of their products do with their products and/or their software post download to the extent where they are going to have a say in what locality you can use their software and where not. Utterly ridiculous. For a company that has seen my solid support so far I'm extremely disappointed. Could someone fluent in Japanese please confirm…

This seems no different than Tesla prohibiting use of AutoPilot for gainful ridesharing.

Re: Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing with EULAs is that you do not own the product. You are licensed to use the product under the company’s draconian terms. Agree that there needs to be new consumer laws protecting consumers. A contract used in the old times 1800s to be one to two pages of simple English that both parties negotiated the agreed terms on. Now EULas almost requires a degree in law to understand yet you abide to the terms under ci…

That’s an argument for software licenses. My NVIDIA GPU on the other hand is hardware I own.

Good luck using it to its fullest potential without their drivers.

Re: Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage

#66

So... fuck the license agreement. They can't sue everyone.

It's so weird to see the responses in this thread of people saying they're going to ask their legal department. Have fun when your self-justifying legal department turns around and dictates the company can only buy the more expensive cards, they now want to review the legalese bombs for everything else, etc.

Just ignore the wordbarfs as the UPPER CASE INCOHERENT SHOUTING THEY ARE. Everybody knows that nobody reads "EULA"s, and a meeting of minds is a necessary requirement for there to even be a contract. These fantasy "terms" literally only exist to the extent we acknowledge and dwell on them!

Re: Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage

#67
I don't know if this article is correct, sans a legal/safety reason or a warranty void. Doesn't seem like something Nvidia could legally prevent you from doing.

That said, I use GeForce GPUs in production datacenters and this wouldn't stop me. I put a dummy load on the display output and use them to take screenshots of web sites with WebGL for Neocities. It's the only way to really do it. The Tesla blowtorches are just for ML crunching, I don't think they work for what I use datacenter GPUs for.

Also my datacenter power connection I get would trip under the Tesla's power requirements, to say nothing of the costs. Might as well plug a Tesla car in while I'm at it.

Re: Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing with EULAs is that you do not own the product. You are licensed to use the product under the company’s draconian terms. Agree that there needs to be new consumer laws protecting consumers. A contract used in the old times 1800s to be one to two pages of simple English that both parties negotiated the agreed terms on. Now EULas almost requires a degree in law to understand yet you abide to the terms under ci…

That’s an argument for software licenses. My NVIDIA GPU on the other hand is hardware I own.

But is the hardware even any good without the NVIDIA firmware baked inside?

Re: Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage

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post #56

In good news, this may finally force a court case around EULA's, which basically everyone have known for a decade as bullshit. Having to agree to draconian terms to use something you own is ridiculous. If EULA's become enforceable there's nothing preventing a toaster maker from banning you from toasting bagels in your machine and countless other absurd usurious machinations. EULA 'shrinkwrap' license agreements are a…

The thing with EULAs is that you do not own the product. You are licensed to use the product under the company’s draconian terms. Agree that there needs to be new consumer laws protecting consumers. A contract used in the old times 1800s to be one to two pages of simple English that both parties negotiated the agreed terms on. Now EULas almost requires a degree in law to understand yet you abide to the terms under ci…

> In many countries free speech is a right regulated as basic first amendment laws.

That's definitely not true, please realise the whole free speech argument is useless outside the US. Anyway, I think you'll find it hard to get people interested with such an argument, even if it is an interesting way to put it.

But your first point - the argument about owning a product - is easy to understand and much more persuasive. That's why the John Deere DMCA thing got so much press, and also why I'm convinced that the downfall of the EULA will be because somebody tried to limit ownership of a physical product (and not software, which may or may not reap the benefits, but won't be the catalyst).

Re: Nvidia’s New Policy Limits GeForce Data Center Usage

#70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s an argument for software licenses. My NVIDIA GPU on the other hand is hardware I own.

But is the hardware even any good without the NVIDIA firmware baked inside?

Or, is adding some firmware/software enough to impose shitty licensing on de facto hardware products, like printer cartridges or Keurig cup things [0]?

If not, where do we draw the line? Luckily, it seems that people hate this kind of thing.

[0] https://www.theverge.com/2015/2/5/7986327/keurigs-attempt-to...

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