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Re: Eric Schmidt to become technical advisor to Alphabet

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Post by oh_sigh »

rayiner wrote: post #28
eanzenberg wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool, I always wanted our sexual culture to revert back to the puritan 1600's.

It's not a reversion, it's a continued evolution. As Dworkin noted: > Empirically speaking, sexual liberation was practiced by women on a wide scale in the sixties and it did not work: that is, it did not free women. Its purpose—it turned out—was to free men to use women without bourgeois constraints, and in that it was successful. The hippies became Reaganites and women were allowed to participate in the economy to…

Where are you getting this that men flip out of they are prohibited relationships between coworkers?

I was just listening to NPR this morning where the woman speaking was saying that we need to more strongly define expectations for office behavior, but that women as well as men are against the idea of banning office relationships.

Re: Eric Schmidt to become technical advisor to Alphabet

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Post by eanzenberg »

rayiner wrote: post #28
eanzenberg wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool, I always wanted our sexual culture to revert back to the puritan 1600's.

It's not a reversion, it's a continued evolution. As Dworkin noted: > Empirically speaking, sexual liberation was practiced by women on a wide scale in the sixties and it did not work: that is, it did not free women. Its purpose—it turned out—was to free men to use women without bourgeois constraints, and in that it was successful. The hippies became Reaganites and women were allowed to participate in the economy to…

Weird though, because school/work is the most common place for couples to meet. Your opinion is another example of ivory-tower syndrome, or living in an ultra-liberal bubble.

Coworkers abstaining has more to do with risk (greater on the men’s side). Elites have always tried controlling sexual freedom and exploration because it threatens their control over literally creating future elite generations.

The sexual revolution absolutely improved women’s prospects from the Eisenhower era. Instead of forced to religious-coupling or pushed into traditional female roles, instead women were able to more freely choose their mate.

Re: Eric Schmidt to become technical advisor to Alphabet

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Post by muninn_ »

rayiner wrote: post #28
eanzenberg wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool, I always wanted our sexual culture to revert back to the puritan 1600's.

It's not a reversion, it's a continued evolution. As Dworkin noted: > Empirically speaking, sexual liberation was practiced by women on a wide scale in the sixties and it did not work: that is, it did not free women. Its purpose—it turned out—was to free men to use women without bourgeois constraints, and in that it was successful. The hippies became Reaganites and women were allowed to participate in the economy to…

Say that to my long-time girlfriend who approached me at work or the men and women I work alongside (I work at a very large company) who have wives or husbands in other departments and have no issues.

Men don't "flip out" about prohibitions between coworkers any more than women do. It's de facto not allowed as stands in professional business etiquette but there is no real reason to prohibit workplace relationships, nor any effective means of doing so. People are also friends at work, should we prohibit that as well? How sterile should the work place be? Should I have to submit a request to stop by somebody's desk so not to interpret that I have a personal relationship with them?

Sexual and relationship advances are a fact of life. If you can't handle it, then I'm not sure what to tell you. If you want people to be locked together for a minimum of 40 hours/week then you need to be realistic and expect that people will on occasion form romantic relationships, bad stuff sometimes happens too, but it also happens at bars, on college campuses, and at Wal-Mart. It's human. We're human. Grow up and get out of your bubble.

Re: Eric Schmidt to become technical advisor to Alphabet

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Post by maxpupmax »

georgeglue1 wrote: post #37
notatoad wrote: post #21

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Who they decide to appoint will only be interesting if they appoint somebody interesting, which seems unlikely. Larry Page is still running the show, and moving from an executive chairman to a non-executive chairman will probably only mean that the board has less power than they did before. Odds are they appoint somebody politically well-connected, and that person then gets to use the "chairman of the board at alphab…

Interesting. Obama could be a good bet if he would take the job. (Perhaps the departure was predicated on Obama agreeing in advance)

Honest question: Why would Obama be a good bet? Or is this comment a joke?

Re: Eric Schmidt to become technical advisor to Alphabet

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Post by georgeglue1 »

maxpupmax wrote: post #44
georgeglue1 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. Obama could be a good bet if he would take the job. (Perhaps the departure was predicated on Obama agreeing in advance)

Honest question: Why would Obama be a good bet? Or is this comment a joke?

Obama could personally call any world leader and talk about taxes, privacy, regulation, etc. with authority.

He would also be generally pragmatic, likable, and qualified.

Re: Eric Schmidt to become technical advisor to Alphabet

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Post by memracom »

georgeglue1 wrote: post #37
notatoad wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who they decide to appoint will only be interesting if they appoint somebody interesting, which seems unlikely. Larry Page is still running the show, and moving from an executive chairman to a non-executive chairman will probably only mean that the board has less power than they did before. Odds are they appoint somebody politically well-connected, and that person then gets to use the "chairman of the board at alphab…

Interesting. Obama could be a good bet if he would take the job. (Perhaps the departure was predicated on Obama agreeing in advance)

If that happened I would get rid of all my Android devices and buy Apple ones to replace them. I would uninstall Chrome and use Firefox instead. Etc., etc., etc.

Obama is a nincompoop that has no place in the high tech industry. Google needs a new leader not a sleazebag. At least Schmidt had a history in technology business.

Re: Eric Schmidt to become technical advisor to Alphabet

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Post by semperdark »

jamiesonbecker wrote: post #16

One of the most interesting debates was between Eric Schmidt and Peter Thiel back in 2012, especially in the positions that Eric staked out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsXFwy6gG_4

Interesting enough to be frustratingly incomplete. I wish they had the time to go into more depth rather than debating the meaning of terms.

Re: Eric Schmidt to become technical advisor to Alphabet

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Post by rayiner »

eanzenberg wrote: post #42
rayiner wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a reversion, it's a continued evolution. As Dworkin noted: > Empirically speaking, sexual liberation was practiced by women on a wide scale in the sixties and it did not work: that is, it did not free women. Its purpose—it turned out—was to free men to use women without bourgeois constraints, and in that it was successful. The hippies became Reaganites and women were allowed to participate in the economy to…

Weird though, because school/work is the most common place for couples to meet. Your opinion is another example of ivory-tower syndrome, or living in an ultra-liberal bubble. Coworkers abstaining has more to do with risk (greater on the men’s side). Elites have always tried controlling sexual freedom and exploration because it threatens their control over literally creating future elite generations. The sexual revolu…

Work is at 10% of relationships and rapidly falling: https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.c.... In a few decades it’s going to be socially unacceptable to hit on coworkers. “If I were looking for a date, I’d be on tinder!”

As to the sexual revolution, read Dworkin’s take on it. Her point that it is a distinctly a man-centric view of sexual freedom is prescient. It’s not just about being free to have sex whenever/with whoever you want, but also freedom to live aspects of your life without dealing with sexual advances. It’s about the freedom to go to work and have coworkers look at you as someone who can help advance their careers, or someone who they can mentor, not a potential date.

Re: Eric Schmidt to become technical advisor to Alphabet

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georgeglue1 wrote: post #37
notatoad wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who they decide to appoint will only be interesting if they appoint somebody interesting, which seems unlikely. Larry Page is still running the show, and moving from an executive chairman to a non-executive chairman will probably only mean that the board has less power than they did before. Odds are they appoint somebody politically well-connected, and that person then gets to use the "chairman of the board at alphab…

Interesting. Obama could be a good bet if he would take the job. (Perhaps the departure was predicated on Obama agreeing in advance)

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Re: Eric Schmidt to become technical advisor to Alphabet

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Post by [deleted] »

georgeglue1 wrote: post #37
notatoad wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who they decide to appoint will only be interesting if they appoint somebody interesting, which seems unlikely. Larry Page is still running the show, and moving from an executive chairman to a non-executive chairman will probably only mean that the board has less power than they did before. Odds are they appoint somebody politically well-connected, and that person then gets to use the "chairman of the board at alphab…

Interesting. Obama could be a good bet if he would take the job. (Perhaps the departure was predicated on Obama agreeing in advance)

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