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Sam Altman: ‘Too many’ Y Combinator companies raise money

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Re: Sam Altman: ‘Too many’ Y Combinator companies raise money

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post #11

Unless I am mistaken, literally all YC companies raise money. They do it from YC itself. There are lots of ways you could spin it, but how can Sam justify such a statement when they've invested in all of these companies too?

He almost certainly meant that not all startups should raise more money, or raise the kind of money that many startups raise post-Demo Day.

Re: Sam Altman: ‘Too many’ Y Combinator companies raise money

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post #13

> I think there’s sort of this halo around being a Y Combinator company, where companies raise money that perhaps shouldn’t. This is such a strange sentiment. YC has invested in all of these companies, then they pooh pooh others that follow their lead?

I think it's an honest comment about the "Halo-effect" the YC stamp can have on investors.

One useful counterfactual is thinking about what our comments would be if Sam said "more YC company should raise money immediately after the program". I think it would be very hard to defend that every (most?) startup is ready for such a commitment at that very specific moment in time.

Re: Sam Altman: ‘Too many’ Y Combinator companies raise money

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post #11

Unless I am mistaken, literally all YC companies raise money. They do it from YC itself. There are lots of ways you could spin it, but how can Sam justify such a statement when they've invested in all of these companies too?

The difference between the first round and future rounds can be significant. Sometimes there's no company, and since there's no company, a company isn't raising money. Often the prospective founders don't start working on their product until they raise, even making it contingent on raising money, which means up until Demo Day the founders haven't tried to build their product and raise money at the same time. Finally, most aren't raising based on market traction – at YC stage it's valid not to have any market traction (though having traction at that stage is also valid).

Re: Sam Altman: ‘Too many’ Y Combinator companies raise money

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Maybe I'm misinterpreting but in a way it sounds like he's saying that YC sometimes (often?) bet on ideas / teams that turn out to be crap. Well, of course that's going to be true. Just they same, prestige or not, track record or not, it's also possible that not all ideas / teams were the right fit for the YC program. That is, yes within YC they were bad bets, but that's not to say things won't change once they're aw…

> Finally, perhaps he feels that by others putting money into what YC might consider a lost cause those others will eventually realize what YC realized?

It's hard for 3rd parties to discern this, when YC has given the very companies being criticized seed money. Pair that with the competitiveness between angels and VCs, plus FOMO; and it gets even harder.

Re: Sam Altman: ‘Too many’ Y Combinator companies raise money

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Is there any way for YC to build its prestige and the sense of value it delivers without being a positive signal?

Yes, this forum. This forum makes it marginally easier for their companies to get recognition and hire employees. Additionally, if you look at the really successful companies that have come out of the program, they were all funded by YC when they took on far less companies.

Re: Sam Altman: ‘Too many’ Y Combinator companies raise money

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post #11

Unless I am mistaken, literally all YC companies raise money. They do it from YC itself. There are lots of ways you could spin it, but how can Sam justify such a statement when they've invested in all of these companies too?

The difference between the first round and future rounds can be significant. Sometimes there's no company, and since there's no company, a company isn't raising money. Often the prospective founders don't start working on their product until they raise, even making it contingent on raising money, which means up until Demo Day the founders haven't tried to build their product and raise money at the same time. Finally,…

By this logic, YC is investing even before the point that others shouldn't be investing, which would make even less sense.

Re: Sam Altman: ‘Too many’ Y Combinator companies raise money

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post #22
post #13

> I think there’s sort of this halo around being a Y Combinator company, where companies raise money that perhaps shouldn’t. This is such a strange sentiment. YC has invested in all of these companies, then they pooh pooh others that follow their lead?

I think it's an honest comment about the "Halo-effect" the YC stamp can have on investors. One useful counterfactual is thinking about what our comments would be if Sam said "more YC company should raise money immediately after the program". I think it would be very hard to defend that every (most?) startup is ready for such a commitment at that very specific moment in time.

But YC is already making the claim that every company in the program is ready for investment. It's doing so by investing in them.

Re: Sam Altman: ‘Too many’ Y Combinator companies raise money

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post #10

Was just thinking the other day, it'd be super interesting if YC ran some YC Equity/YC UBI experiments within its own network. Basically in joining YC, each YC member would be granted a percentage of YC's 7% stake in all of the YC companies which would reduce their need to fundraise. In theory, YC members should all be highly motivated achievers and use that percentage stake to move their diverse set of businesses fo…

I am interested in trying some version of this! Have been thinking about all the edge cases.

Re: Sam Altman: ‘Too many’ Y Combinator companies raise money

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YC participation is a stamp of approval. Unless YC intends to take on responsibility for follow on funding in some kind of exclusivity - which on the record from a partner at YC is definitely not in the plan [1] - then Sam will just have to live with that. After all, companies are - for now - still free to try to raise funding from outsiders once YC has made their bet.

On another note, it's those investors money to waste, if they want to burn it on companies that don't make it then in the long term this will self-correct because there will be less money available from such investors.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15928335

Re: Sam Altman: ‘Too many’ Y Combinator companies raise money

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post #28
post #10

Was just thinking the other day, it'd be super interesting if YC ran some YC Equity/YC UBI experiments within its own network. Basically in joining YC, each YC member would be granted a percentage of YC's 7% stake in all of the YC companies which would reduce their need to fundraise. In theory, YC members should all be highly motivated achievers and use that percentage stake to move their diverse set of businesses fo…

I am interested in trying some version of this! Have been thinking about all the edge cases.

That'll be expensive. On the order of 100's of millions per year at that scale. 15,000 * 1000 = 15 M / month for an amount that would move the needle, but still not enough to live off.
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