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Goldman Sachs Is Setting Up a Cryptocurrency Trading Desk

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Re: Goldman Sachs Is Setting Up a Cryptocurrency Trading Desk

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post #13

Welp pretty much knew this would happen all along. I was hoping crypto would remain independent of banks, but nope. Not long before big banks take over crypto exchanges, develop dark pools, and manipulate it. Not much we can do now

> crypto would remain independent of banks

Only if you make a crypto that runs on any device, needs tiny amounts of energy and therefore is impossible to take over.

Re: Goldman Sachs Is Setting Up a Cryptocurrency Trading Desk

#42
post #21

They typically do this for a few reasons: 1. High net worth clients demanding such products. 2. Obvious FOMO. 3. In case this crypto thing becomes big they don’t want to be criticized. 4. All companies are seeing a nice bump in their share prices with any association to crypto

This kind of covers every conceivable case for doing this. If you list enough reasons you're bound to be right on one of them.

It covers the sober and reasonable cases. I think the main thing this enumeration does is to provide alternatives to the hyperbolic notion of “cryptocurrency/blockchain is taking over the world and even the big investment banks are going in on it”, with either the bullish “this means it’s a real economic revolution” or the bearish “this means we’re at the peak of the bubble and the big banks are losing their minds and threatening the world economy again” subtexts to it.

Re: Goldman Sachs Is Setting Up a Cryptocurrency Trading Desk

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

HNWIs are definitely starting to talk about and ask for crypto products. EDIT: I work in the area, not a shill.

Best performing asset class over the last few years. Even if it is a bubble, you might as well allocate a few %'s of your portfolio to it if you're wealthy..

Well actually that's not what we advise but we're not GS either.

>Best performing asset class over the last few years.

Previous performance is not a predictor.

>Even if it is a bubble, you might as well allocate a few %'s of your portfolio to it if you're wealthy

If it's a bubble it's a terrible idea to allocate a few percentage points to it.

Re: Goldman Sachs Is Setting Up a Cryptocurrency Trading Desk

#44
post #22
post #11

So much for the promised currency / store-of-value that can't be manipulated by banks / governments.

Isn't it mostly being manipulated by drug traffickers and money launderers right now?

mmm Yeah, it was true like 5 years ago

Tech moves fast, you know ?

Re: Goldman Sachs Is Setting Up a Cryptocurrency Trading Desk

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Best performing asset class over the last few years. Even if it is a bubble, you might as well allocate a few %'s of your portfolio to it if you're wealthy..

Well actually that's not what we advise but we're not GS either. >Best performing asset class over the last few years. Previous performance is not a predictor. >Even if it is a bubble, you might as well allocate a few %'s of your portfolio to it if you're wealthy If it's a bubble it's a terrible idea to allocate a few percentage points to it.

"If it's a bubble it's a terrible idea to allocate a few percentage points to it."

Why? The word 'bubble' has negative connotations, but the flip side is the only opportunity of a great multiplier on your investment in a short time is during a bubble. Caveat of course, you can lose a lot of money, but that's why you allocate 1% of your portfolio so you can still survive.

Re: Goldman Sachs Is Setting Up a Cryptocurrency Trading Desk

#48

They typically do this for a few reasons: 1. High net worth clients demanding such products. 2. Obvious FOMO. 3. In case this crypto thing becomes big they don’t want to be criticized. 4. All companies are seeing a nice bump in their share prices with any association to crypto

They are just making markets, so it's sort of 1 and 2. I say sort of because it means clients want to trade cryptocurrencies. They aren't necessarily high net worth individuals though. My guess is most clients are institutional, though it might be different with people wanting to trade cryptocurrencies. It's FOMO if you think not wanting to lose money to your competitors is FOMO. I'd say it's more just performing one of their job functions.

I doubt they care about being criticized and until GS releases Goldman Coin I doubt they're trying to get a share price bump from this.

Re: Goldman Sachs Is Setting Up a Cryptocurrency Trading Desk

#49
post #23

My best guess is that the "store-of-value that can't be manipulated by banks" is effectively over. Big banks it seems will take over the trading volume of the big crypto coins and develop their own exchanges.

They may be able to partially manipulate the price, but they can't influence the currency or money supply. That's the beauty of crypto.

The price is everything. You don’t need to defeat cryptography to manipulate BTC any more than you need alchemy to manipulate the gold market: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(1869)
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