Chrome sux, their rendering is the worst among all browsers. If you try to use CSS transitions, or scaling, or any other GPU-accelerated effects in most of the times Chrome will render artifacts and have weird rendering bugs that don't occur in Firefox or Edge. PS: I still use Chrome for both personal use and as a developer, but I'm starting to realize more and more that Chrome is starting to be clearly the worse modern browser. I only use Chrome now for the Google account integration.
Chrome is Not the Standard
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#192Standards are irrelevant to pragmatism. De facto standards are what is important.
By virture of sheer popularity, Chrome is the de facto standard. And if they have provided anything that becomes useful or popular, then by virtue of popularity of that feature in what is already the post popular browser, makes that feature part of the de facto standard.
The post is just pedantic whining about how something isn't according to the written word in some document written some years ago by a bunch of people that the average user of the standard does not even know.
I understand the value of standardization. Everything should be standardized. But what the standard should be is completely another question. I would say that all enhancements/popular features should be standard. At least that way, we'll have more people happier, rather than follow the least common denominator approach where there is a compromise that leaves no one happy.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't really understand this attitude. Mozilla doesn't need to be everything I ever wanted from a browser in order to get my support. It only needs to be better than Google. Are all these people sticking with Chrome because Mozilla is not holding up to its values really think Google is better at taking care of our freedom?!
Chrome doesn't magically revert privacy or search engine settings in updates, but Firefox apparently does. To quote from https://drewdevault.com/2017/12/16/Firefox-is-on-a-slippery-... : > Not only are these experiments enabled by default, but updates have been known to re-enable it if you turn it off. Chrome has some troubling defaults but Google never decided to flip the default search engine or turn on any phone-h…
I don't think that it can be argued that Chrome is privacy-friendly. There are dark patterns built into the browser.
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#194At what point does the dominant market leader become the standard, though? Chrome currently has roughly 60% market share in both desktop and mobile. No other browsers are forced to comply, but web developers will prioritize targeting the platform where their users are. We see this today where tons of things are broken on the long tail of older versions of IE, and developers largely ignore them.
I'm not saying that I like one company controlling the web, but when you're a small company developing software for the web, Chrome IS the standard.
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#195I can't agree with the title more. I use a rather obscure browser full time (qutebrowser) and they use Qt native bindings. Due to compatibility issues Qt has _two_ backends for rendering HTML content. One is based on webkit (qt-webkit), the other (unintuitively called qt-webengine) is actually chrome underneath. Why chrome? because the web is now owned by chrome. Before qutebrowser I was a heavy firefox user, but I a…
Note that Qt officially only has one backend, QtWebEngine, which is QtWebKit's successor. However, it's more or less one guy (annulen) keeping QtWebKit alive as a hobby. So far that's worked surprisingly well, though.
That is incredibly notable, since qtwebengine is not supported -at-all- on my chosen platform (FreeBSD)
OT: heard you were going to CCC, I'd appreciate it if you swung by the DarkScience Assembly if you get a chance. :D
And great work on qutebrowser!
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#196I switched to Firefox, and I was blown away to find that Google Meet (the new Hangouts) does not work. You just get the message "Meet doesn't work on your browser". I'm also impressed at how many of my job's internal websites don't work. This doesn't bug me as much, but it's obvious the devs who created them didn't even do a sanity check in Firefox.
Yeah the old Hangouts doesn't either.
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#197"Safari ships new features on a much slower cadence, but they’re usually solid and always perform incredibly well" Well, clearly this person doesn't have much experience with web development... The webengine in iOS is the biggest pile of crap I've ever worked with since IE6. "Oh? You want to click this? OK, let's wait for 300 ms just in case you want to double tap to scroll!" "We finally fixed it, no more delay on cl…
This also shows that the architecture of the web is wrong, i.e. to have the browser vendor in control rather than the developers.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
No and I think your opinion is harmful. IE literally refused to implement standards, rendered broken dom elements, allowed for proprietary native extensions and had many different apis for them. They had 90% of the market share and no other viable platforms. This meant developers built things which exploited these broken features causing huge compatibility issues when they aren’t (every other browser). A simple lack…
> IE literally refused to implement standards Chrome doesn’t implement asm.js (EDIT: I had previously written WebAssembly, but that was a typo), concurrent JS, or autocomplete=off, or the GeoLocation API via HTTP, etc. > allowed for proprietary native extensions and had many different apis NaCl, PNaCl. Try running http://earth.google.com/ in a browser other than Chrome. Or the Google Hangouts Video Chat. > They had 9…
> Chrome doesn’t implement WebAssembly
> NaCl, PNaCl.
It does, and both of which are being deprecated and removed in favor of WebAssembly.
At least your point about Google using underhanded tricks to get Chrome in the hands of users is accurate.
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#199I know they screwed up recently with the Mr. Robot malware, but I think it's really important for developers to get behind Firefox again. As the American government fails to provide any sort of check on its behemoth corporations (Apple, Google, and Microsoft) and to protect consumer privacy, Firefox is basically the last contender for real consumer protection standing.
They didn't just screw up once . They've screwed up many times over the years with many projects and attempts that run counter to the core values that Mozilla claims to uphold. Bryan Lunduke articulated this very well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMALm1VthGY At this point Mozilla has to prove to us that they are worthy of our usage
Well, what can you do?
Mozilla has a very unique problem. It's most ardent and loyal users are technically savvy. They expect a high quality, privacy-respecting, ad-free product.
But, here's the catch, they will not pay for it. How does Mozilla survive?
Google finances Chrome through its Search/Ad business. Safari and IE costs are bundled in the cost of the devices/OS they are on.
How should Mozilla survive? Should they go the shareware route and have a paid copy for 20$ ?
They have to make money somehow.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know how "understand everything there is to know about everyone" is substantially less evil, especially when entirely avoiding Google is effectively impossible.
I should have picked a better word! "Outwardly" probably wasn't the right word there. Google is less... bald-facedly evil, perhaps? Less overtly evil? Microsoft's hardline "screw the open web, and buy a Windows and Office license every n years while we ensure we have no competitors by any means necessary" modus operandi in the 1990s was just so blatantly unfriendly. Google's course is more... stealthy.
Yeah, I won't defend Microsoft. I was honestly convinced for several years that we were descending into a dark age of computing.