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Tax-Free Bitcoin-To-Ether Trading in US to End Under GOP Plan

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#121
Watching all you little trump supporters say things like "i don't mind taxes" now that the GOP is in control and is in fact RAISING YOUR TAXES is absolutely hysterical to me.

Guess you ole boys picked the hill you want to die on...with a fat orange cheetoh leading you to the gates of hell.

Good luck!

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#122
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to be compliant, and not commit tax fraud, you will. Just because it will require some effort to track you down doesn't make it ok.

You and I may be compliant. The point is, most people won't.

How many convictions will it take?

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#123
Personally, I see the rise of cryptocurrencies as the beginning of a capital singularity, whereby vast flows of capital begin to outpace and outmaneuver any other collective human organizational mechanism of restraint, eventually and increasingly beyond even the perception of such structures.

I recommend all cryptoholders of a few years consider their long game regarding which coins will be declared, and which will remain in the shadows.

Cryptocurrencies allow for freedom beyond the practical control of agencies such as the IRS, IF you are willing to put in the time and effort. Think very carefully before voluntarily clipping your own wings.

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#124

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I on the other hand, mind being taxed.

Not saying I disagree with you, but I'd like to understand your reasoning...

I disagree with a solid 80% of government spending. Lots go against my core values and morals. Currently right now as a Canadian I even have to pay taxes for religious schools, a religion which was responsible for molesting my father as a child.

I pay against my will because the government holds a monopoly on violence. They will lock me up for not paying.

A society built on top of the threat of violence is not one I endorse.

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#125
post #50

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...and what exactly will they do about it? The question is about decentralized exchanges. Countries may choose not to "tolerate" whatever they wish, but the internet is under no compulsion to tolerate shortsighted countries.

Regulate that ISPs block the protocols.

Including the OpenVPN, HTTPS, SSH, and TOR protocols? (All of which could trivially be used to circumvent such a block.)

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#126

I don't mind being taxed at all. What I find stressful is calculating - not just the 'what was the USD price at the time of the exchange' that has to be manually entered and looked up into the exported CSV spreadsheet... BUT tying that to the movement of coin from Coinbase to the exchange. It's a pain. I regret using Bittrex, as there's almost no tooling for this available.

A CSV file is a dream compared to what you might have to go through with on normal stocks.

My wife inherited a small amount of telecom stock from her grandmonther who worked for AT&T back in the early days. No records had been kept as to when the stocks were bought (they were part of her salary I think). Of course they were all acquired before the Bell breakup. So what she inherited was a big mess of baby bells and about once a year or so one of them will be bought out and they'll do a stock merger and automatically sell any fractional shares left after the merger so we have to pay the Capital Gains on that sale. I am still not sure how someone without a Lexus Nexus account is supposed to calculate the net profit on those shares.

Thus far most of them have been small and we've been calling the entire thing profit (purchase price of $0) but I know one of these days we're going to have to do it for real.

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#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I on the other hand, mind being taxed.

Do you also mind having free public schools and roads...?

Those things are free?

I feel like I have been paying for them since I got my first job at 14. I'll probably still be paying for them when I am 80.

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#128

While it was deemed to be treated as property, IRS never gave guidance on ability to treat it as like kind transaction. Accountants have been asking for this clarification for years. SEC treating ICO as a security. IRS needs to come out with more guidance, but doing taxes is going to be a pain with crypto to crypto. Not looking for trouble with IRS, especially when gains were plentiful for so many this year. Pay your…

There is a segment of the crypto-currency community who got into it explicitly to avoid paying taxes and to be away from government oversight. They aren't going to be happy with the exchanges playing nice with the IRS.

Re: Tax-Free Bitcoin-To-Ether Trading in US to End Under GOP Plan

#130

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So the IRS is going to put the same amount of resources into each of the new mini - Capones as they did Capone?

That is literally the IRS's job. IRS funding at the margin directly increases or decreases tax revenues, because they have more or less resources to spend pursuing tax evasion.

Luckily the IRS has been kneecapped by Congress because they started looking into the finances of some sketchy looking conservative nonprofits.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/18/politics/irs-scandal-fast-fact...

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