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Chrome is Not the Standard

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Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by syshum »

TheCoreh wrote: post #45
kevmo wrote: post #4

I know they screwed up recently with the Mr. Robot malware, but I think it's really important for developers to get behind Firefox again. As the American government fails to provide any sort of check on its behemoth corporations (Apple, Google, and Microsoft) and to protect consumer privacy, Firefox is basically the last contender for real consumer protection standing.

The Mr. Robot thing was not "malware". It was an easter egg, just like about:mozilla. You may say it was poor taste on Mozilla's part, since it was essentially a paid-for promotional tie-in with a TV show, and I would probably agree with you. But it did not damage anyone's computer, compromise any data or do anything that could put it on the "Malware" category. Something similar that noone has complained about are th…

>>Mozilla's biggest screw up IMO was failing to disclose properly what was going on.

That was not the only issue

1. Failure to Disclose it before distribution

2. Failure to Properly name or provide any support context to the Add In.

3. Using the "Studies" System designed to improve the technology and advance the web browser for this Adware "Easter egg" not really an Easter egg addin

4. Failure to Publicly Comment about it until a full 72 hours after concerns were raised

5. Deleting and Hiding Bug Reports about the Addin in Bugzilla

6. Failure to adequately respond, apologize, or explain why and how the Studies system was used to distribute this Adware, There blog post so far is woefully inadequate.

7. Failure to disclose what steps are being taken immediately to ensure the Studies system is not abused in this manner in the future

Should I go on? There were many many many failures here, which are compounded by the many other failures Mozilla has had over the last few years.

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by yarrel »

calcifer wrote: post #47
trendia wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lest we forget: A third party company (funded by venture capital) created something called "Pocket", which allowed you to save any article you were reading to their service. Pocket had an extension that you could choose to download & enable on your Firefox browser. For apparently no reason at all, in June 2015, Mozilla integrated the proprietary Pocket into their open source browser, not just as an optional extension…

> The only way to disable Pocket was to go into "about:config", as the option was not available in the "Extensions" toolbar. This isn't exactly correct. The Pocket integration did absolutely nothing at all until and unless you tried to use it. So by "disabling" it from about:config all you did was to remove the icon.

That isn't correct. Try the new mobile Firefox.

Buying Pocket signalled that if you can take the right Mozillan to lunch, you can get an early exit. That did not solve the problem.

It's still impossible to remove Pocket.

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by jklinger410 »

joshuamorton wrote: post #23
cakeface wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sometimes feel like Chrome is the new Internet Explorer too! There have been a number of GSuite features from Google that don't work on Firefox. Google Hangouts for one! Also on that list was U2F auth and some others. Here we have Google products that only work on the Google browser. What does that sound like? Maybe Microsoft and all their ActiveX IE shenanigans in the past! The moral of the story, which I think th…

>Google Hangouts for one! I believe this now works on FF, according to an HN post yesterday. >If you don't like the standards, advocate for new ones! I think the problem with this is it means that I can't provide something useful until the standards body updates, which could be a cadence of years. In that timeframe, a competitor will break the standard.

Hangouts calls didn't work for me today on FF. Possibly fixed on beta channel?

This would really help me switch.

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by fatwa »

syshum wrote: post #61
TheCoreh wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Mr. Robot thing was not "malware". It was an easter egg, just like about:mozilla. You may say it was poor taste on Mozilla's part, since it was essentially a paid-for promotional tie-in with a TV show, and I would probably agree with you. But it did not damage anyone's computer, compromise any data or do anything that could put it on the "Malware" category. Something similar that noone has complained about are th…

>>Mozilla's biggest screw up IMO was failing to disclose properly what was going on. That was not the only issue 1. Failure to Disclose it before distribution 2. Failure to Properly name or provide any support context to the Add In. 3. Using the "Studies" System designed to improve the technology and advance the web browser for this Adware "Easter egg" not really an Easter egg addin 4. Failure to Publicly Comment abo…

And enabling the "studies" thing without my permission, which they did.

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by bhhaskin »

smoyer wrote: post #60

I like Chrome but lately I've spent almost all my time in Firefox Developer Edition. When I use Chrome it's to verify that it behaves the same way on more than one Javascript engine.

I decided to give Firefox Developer Edition a try a few weeks ago. Been pretty happy with it, with no plans to switch back.

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by hungerstrike »

Chrome is the de facto standard at this time and all of the irrelevant, hyperbolic nitpicking and dubious conjecture isn't going to change that.

But here's a thought: WebKit and Chromium (and Blink) are open source, so maybe don't worry about it?

Furthermore, if all browsers don't work the same then that's a problem for developers. If we can't have that - I'd rather see just one browser engine in use by the majority like what we have now with WebKit. It makes my life easier.

Don't we have more important things to worry about than competition between web browser apps?

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by ergo14 »

sbr464 wrote: post #46

I believe in free markets. If Chrome is winning, so be it. I for one am on the wagon.

When you will end up with monopoly it will become a problem. No one says chrome should be regulated, but for one I would like developers to test their applications in other browsers, at least Firefox and Edge.
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