Chrome is Not the Standard • Hacker News Board

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by makecheck » Thu, Dec 21, 2017, 5:48 PM UTC

I’m definitely seeing several sites lately that require me to use a particular browser, lest I see blank elements or “buttons” that infuriatingly do nothing when I click them except in certain browsers.

It’s not consistent though. Usually switching to Safari is what works but sometimes I must use Firefox. On one government site it seemed the only working combo was to use an iPad, as no desktop browser worked on my Mac.

My latest gripe has to be log-in screens though (Google is guilty): forms are as old as the web and I resent that I can’t even log in anymore because your Unnecessarily Fancy Form just doesn’t work on all browsers!?

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by TAForObvReasons » Thu, Dec 21, 2017, 5:48 PM UTC

kevmo wrote: post #4

I know they screwed up recently with the Mr. Robot malware, but I think it's really important for developers to get behind Firefox again. As the American government fails to provide any sort of check on its behemoth corporations (Apple, Google, and Microsoft) and to protect consumer privacy, Firefox is basically the last contender for real consumer protection standing.

They didn't just screw up once . They've screwed up many times over the years with many projects and attempts that run counter to the core values that Mozilla claims to uphold. Bryan Lunduke articulated this very well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMALm1VthGY

At this point Mozilla has to prove to us that they are worthy of our usage

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by squeaky-clean » Thu, Dec 21, 2017, 5:49 PM UTC

elsurudo wrote: post #7

appdrag wrote: post #3

"Safari ships new features on a much slower cadence, but they’re usually solid and always perform incredibly well." I really don't agree at all with this, Safari is the new Internet explorer ... https://www.safari-is-the-new-ie.com/

Ehh, I use Safari as my main browser (it feels more "native" than Chrome & FF, has seemingly lower CPU usage than Chrome, and is WAY better for the battery), and I rarely suffer for it. Once in a while there is a site that does something fancy that requires Chrome, but it is rare.

Same experience here. Safari is my daily driver for casual browsing because it feels smoothest and integrates well with the OS, iPhone, etc. The only times I can remember it being a problem are when I see a bleeding edge tech demo posted somewhere like HN.

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by davidmurdoch » Thu, Dec 21, 2017, 5:50 PM UTC

appdrag wrote: post #3

"Safari ships new features on a much slower cadence, but they’re usually solid and always perform incredibly well." I really don't agree at all with this, Safari is the new Internet explorer ... https://www.safari-is-the-new-ie.com/

Having just spent more time fixing quirks in an HTML layout in iOS Safari than I had to in IE 9, I wholeheartedly agree with you.

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by dba7dba » Thu, Dec 21, 2017, 5:50 PM UTC

The scary thing is some may hold up Google/Facebook/Twitter as the standard of the internet (without even being conscious of it).

Guess I'm not that young now, knowing what the internet was supposed to be in the beginning.

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by osrec » Thu, Dec 21, 2017, 5:50 PM UTC

appdrag wrote: post #3

"Safari ships new features on a much slower cadence, but they’re usually solid and always perform incredibly well." I really don't agree at all with this, Safari is the new Internet explorer ... https://www.safari-is-the-new-ie.com/

As an example, anyone remember the glaring indexedDB and flexbox bugs in Safari?!

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by soperj » Thu, Dec 21, 2017, 5:51 PM UTC

squeaky-clean wrote: post #13

elsurudo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ehh, I use Safari as my main browser (it feels more "native" than Chrome & FF, has seemingly lower CPU usage than Chrome, and is WAY better for the battery), and I rarely suffer for it. Once in a while there is a site that does something fancy that requires Chrome, but it is rare.

Same experience here. Safari is my daily driver for casual browsing because it feels smoothest and integrates well with the OS, iPhone, etc. The only times I can remember it being a problem are when I see a bleeding edge tech demo posted somewhere like HN.

flexbox isn't a bleeding edge technology, and it's supposed to work properly on safari, but it really doesn't. Annoying as hell, and garbage on their organization to be honest.

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by jrs95 » Thu, Dec 21, 2017, 5:51 PM UTC

cakeface wrote: post #8

appdrag wrote: post #3

"Safari ships new features on a much slower cadence, but they’re usually solid and always perform incredibly well." I really don't agree at all with this, Safari is the new Internet explorer ... https://www.safari-is-the-new-ie.com/

I sometimes feel like Chrome is the new Internet Explorer too! There have been a number of GSuite features from Google that don't work on Firefox. Google Hangouts for one! Also on that list was U2F auth and some others. Here we have Google products that only work on the Google browser. What does that sound like? Maybe Microsoft and all their ActiveX IE shenanigans in the past! The moral of the story, which I think th…

YouTube seems to be broken on Edge half the time. I don’t think they even test for it.

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by TAForObvReasons » Thu, Dec 21, 2017, 5:52 PM UTC

makecheck wrote: post #11

I’m definitely seeing several sites lately that require me to use a particular browser, lest I see blank elements or “buttons” that infuriatingly do nothing when I click them except in certain browsers. It’s not consistent though. Usually switching to Safari is what works but sometimes I must use Firefox. On one government site it seemed the only working combo was to use an iPad , as no desktop browser worked on my M…

> On one government site it seemed the only working combo was to use an iPad, as no desktop browser worked on my Mac.

Did you try using IE? I find some state government sites still work best on IE10/IE11

Re: Chrome is Not the Standard

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Post by ebbv » Thu, Dec 21, 2017, 5:52 PM UTC

appdrag wrote: post #3

"Safari ships new features on a much slower cadence, but they’re usually solid and always perform incredibly well." I really don't agree at all with this, Safari is the new Internet explorer ... https://www.safari-is-the-new-ie.com/

Anyone who says this doesn't remember what made IE notorious back in the day.

None of the browsers now are anything like that.

Apple's approach with Safari is exactly what the author of the linked article said; they are slower to implement standards. When they do, I usually have no problems with them at all.