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Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by phyller »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #615
phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

If you want to reach HD resolution displays at a "virtual" 50 cm distance (for example) you'd need a VR display resolution at like 10K or something, very high in any case. And even then, would it be more ergonomic than a regular screen? It would only pay off if it was something you could use for hours a day, like you can with regular screens atm. Same with the gloves, if it doesn't have good feedback then I'm going t…

Yea, but if the display was a "virtual" 50cm away, it could be a much lower resolution, or a much bigger size. The pixel density doesn't need to depend on the resolution of the virtual screen, it just needs to be good enough so the user can't distinguish the pixels of the VR itself. Then any resolution can be accurately simulated in the VR.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by rch »

Jaruzel wrote: post #622
Sukotto wrote: post #568

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Wow, maybe I was just lucky? I worked on two different (energy) trading floors. One was a fairly large venture (30 or so trading desks + mid/back office + dev/ops/DC teams + management). The other was one of the huge banks. Both were in Stamford CT. I spent well over 5 years there and never once did I see those sorts of shenanigans. There was some stuff: the guy that liked to throw a football across the floor, occasi…

> Both were in Stamford CT. Been there done that. Was the big bank one, the one with the keys in it's logo ? If so, you were using the Desktop OS build I designed :) > I'm so glad I never worked with the handset smashing, drug abusing, loudly swearing, king of the world, type-A assholes that I hear about. I think these days, thats largely confined to the Hedge-Fund traders. And those guys are EXACTLY the sort of peop…

They would also enjoy the opportunity to simply walk around a bit, or maybe grab a coffee.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by ClarkZinzow »

phyller wrote: post #586
xdanger wrote: post #572

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There is a Finnish startup around using highres displays in vr https://varjo.com/

Nice. I think the idea is that by tracking and moving with the eye, you don't need a high resolution display. You just focus the resolution you have at the center of the users field of vision where most of our visual acuity is located.

That would be foveated rendering. Google Research recently put out a blog post on a new foveation pipeline they're developing.

https://research.googleblog.com/2017/12/introducing-new-fove...

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by jbergstroem »

deanCommie wrote: post #152
jbergstroem wrote: post #133

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Speaking of good demos, I thought this demo-ish from the Starbreeze "AR/VR" was stack pretty cool": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x32FHiJJyhQ Not sure how how wide their product will spread though.. [disclaimer: I own shares in the company]

That's not a demo, that's a vision.

Better put. As an aside: the headset and gun exists (https://www.wareable.com/vr/starvr-headset-review). The location soon exists with enterspace vr: https://www.enterspacevr.com

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by 0xdeadbeefbabe »

Impossible wrote: post #501
0xdeadbeefbabe wrote: post #299

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pink plane? I agree it's unimaginative, so I'm imagining programming in VR in picture-forth.

Is picture-forth an actual thing? Sounds interesting.

It's not that I'm aware of, but color-forth is a thing.

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Post by smellf »

electrichead wrote: post #175
TotempaaltJ wrote: post #77

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Apparently it's real: https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/features/lightwear-intro... Common concerns, like FOV (not very big), are addressed in this article: > The viewing space is about the size of a VHS tape held in front of you with your arms half extended. It’s much larger than the HoloLens, but it’s still there.

I wonder how many people would have no idea how big a VHS tape is.

Personally, I would have gone with "the size of a trade paperback". Or maybe "the size of a large hardback book held with the arm fully extended."

Honestly it sounds really small. Not sure how you could have a viable product that only works in a small rectangle in the center of your vision.

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Post by rurban »

vvanders wrote: post #544
koolba wrote: post #315

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> It's hard to build high-enough fidelity into the hardware at a reasonable price point. And even if you did make VR goggles that were great for giant spreadsheets at $1000, it would be a weird enough idea that it would have to be massively better than $1000 worth of monitors to get people interested. I doubt that. If you make a VR/AR/?R version of a Bloomberg terminal or Factset then finance firms will literally rol…

It's been a while since I've been in the AR/VR/3D space but last time I was there you just couldn't do high density text well at all. Look at the effective resolution of your monitor and consider the percentage of the field of view that it occupies. You'd need to get something in the area of 6-8k resolution screens if not more to match the same effective resolution.

Well, the airforce had a laser scanner for their maintenance personal beaming pdf documents directly into the eye. Super sharp. Looked a bit like Google Glasses. Like in this picture: https://www.x.company/glass/

Handsfree search in docs.

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Post by rurban »

madeofpalk wrote: post #565
koolba wrote: post #315

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> It's hard to build high-enough fidelity into the hardware at a reasonable price point. And even if you did make VR goggles that were great for giant spreadsheets at $1000, it would be a weird enough idea that it would have to be massively better than $1000 worth of monitors to get people interested. I doubt that. If you make a VR/AR/?R version of a Bloomberg terminal or Factset then finance firms will literally rol…

“Can’t be worse”. Yes it can. The resolution of AR/VR glasses is less than my iPhone or my laptop monitor. Now you’re telling me that plugging in a big bulky headset is somehow going to deliver a not worse experience than thee other devices that don’t require an unparalleled level of immersion (both a pro and a con) yet able to show less detail?

That's on purpose. Resolution is nothing in VR, reaction time is everything. You only need a very wide field, like 800x200px. This would be luxury VR glasses.

However for other, more non-immersive applications, like AR resolution became more important. Which leads go slower reaction times. Which can lead to sickness and lawsuits.

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Post by spiralganglion »

jdmichal wrote: post #506
spiralganglion wrote: post #357

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They are explicitly not. They want to abolish the screen. They want real, touchable objects to be imbued with dynamism. From their FAQ: "Is Dynamicland augmented reality (AR)? It depends what you mean by augmented reality. Dynamicland is primarily about working with actual physical objects that everyone can see and touch. Glasses and phone-based AR is usually about 'holograms' floating in space that only the person w…

AR is not VR. I think that VR will certainly enable all these behaviors, eventually. Except in a virtual space, instead of meat space. The behaviors and ideas Dynamicland are advocating should work just as well in both. And while their points ring true for the current iterations of AR-as-personal-assistant, I don't see why a networked AR where everyone shares the same annotations would work any differently. Isn't tha…

It's not just the social angle — projections in VR and AR aren't tangible, whereas physical objects imbued with dynamism are tangible. Here's a really good article on why this matters so much: http://worrydream.com/ABriefRantOnTheFutureOfInteractionDesi...

Now, once we have a holodeck, where the virtual objects are made tangible, your points will hold. But until then, tangibility is a key difference (and perhaps not the only key difference, but this should suffice for now).

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by Sukotto »

Jaruzel wrote: post #622
Sukotto wrote: post #568

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Wow, maybe I was just lucky? I worked on two different (energy) trading floors. One was a fairly large venture (30 or so trading desks + mid/back office + dev/ops/DC teams + management). The other was one of the huge banks. Both were in Stamford CT. I spent well over 5 years there and never once did I see those sorts of shenanigans. There was some stuff: the guy that liked to throw a football across the floor, occasi…

> Both were in Stamford CT. Been there done that. Was the big bank one, the one with the keys in it's logo ? If so, you were using the Desktop OS build I designed :) > I'm so glad I never worked with the handset smashing, drug abusing, loudly swearing, king of the world, type-A assholes that I hear about. I think these days, thats largely confined to the Hedge-Fund traders. And those guys are EXACTLY the sort of peop…

> as the big bank one, the one with the keys in it's logo

No. We were the other BS across the street.

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