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Berlin's Plan to Become a City for Cyclists

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Re: Berlin's Plan to Become a City for Cyclists

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It's crazy to think: you design a city for people, rather than cars, and the city becomes more livable.

No one in history has designed a city for cars. People driving cars over other people perhaps, but for a subset of people regardless.

AI is nowhere near the level of needing space.

Re: Berlin's Plan to Become a City for Cyclists

#22
post #6

I hope they install a lot of showers...

Stinking is actually a consequence of a sedentary lifestyle. With the right kind of cycling infrastructure, riding a bike in flat terrain is a low intensity exercise to which the body soon adapts. It can become quite relaxing and meditative. Exemplary video of cycling in the netherlands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb0QjASuuqI

Re: Berlin's Plan to Become a City for Cyclists

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The cities mentioned as being great for cyclists are Copenhagen and Amersterdam, and now Berlin is trying. What is interesting is that the countries these cities are in Denmark, Netherlands, and Germany have fertility rates of 1.7, 1.7, 1.5 births/female [0]. In other words, people aren't having that many children. When transporting children, cars become a whole lot more convenient than bicycles. You don't have to wo…

I have a 1.5 year old child, and I must disagree. Car-centric places are horrible with a child (or really anyone who isn’t a healthy ~20–65 year old adult who can afford a car). To get anywhere you need to pack all your stuff into a car, get the child in and out of a carseat, unpark and park, walk around in a big parking lot, etc. Every trip has huge overhead. It gets even worse when there are multiple kids involved.

Living in a walkable neighborhood with access to transit is so much nicer. I just pick the kid up in my arms and go out the door, and many destinations are a few minutes walk, all of which is time spent actively moving and being part of the outside world. In a couple years, if I need to drop him off somewhere within bike distance (but far enough away that walking is less practical), it would be great to use a child seat or little cart attached to a bike.

It’s going to be an even bigger difference when the kid is older, and can walk around and take transit and engage with the city by himself, instead of being completely isolated and dependent and needing to be chauffeured and chaperoned by an adult on every trip.

Re: Berlin's Plan to Become a City for Cyclists

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post #6

I hope they install a lot of showers...

Stinking is actually a consequence of a sedentary lifestyle. With the right kind of cycling infrastructure, riding a bike in flat terrain is a low intensity exercise to which the body soon adapts. It can become quite relaxing and meditative. Exemplary video of cycling in the netherlands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb0QjASuuqI

Plus cars stink.

Re: Berlin's Plan to Become a City for Cyclists

#25
post #6

I hope they install a lot of showers...

I don't know where you live, but most of the cities in northern Europe have less extreme climate (on both ends, hot and cold) than a large swath of the US. I live in the US and am extremely lucky that I don't sweat a lot for some reason, and am able to ride my bike to work without stinking up the joint. And I adjust my schedule a bit, so I get to work before it starts getting hot.

But our summers are certainly hotter than Copenhagen and Amsterdam. I didn't look up Berlin.

Re: Berlin's Plan to Become a City for Cyclists

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The cities mentioned as being great for cyclists are Copenhagen and Amersterdam, and now Berlin is trying. What is interesting is that the countries these cities are in Denmark, Netherlands, and Germany have fertility rates of 1.7, 1.7, 1.5 births/female [0]. In other words, people aren't having that many children. When transporting children, cars become a whole lot more convenient than bicycles. You don't have to wo…

Anyone who lived in Japan knows about “mamachari” bikes, and a diminutive young mother with two kids and groceries on her bike. Not to mention all the senior citizens who ride everywhere as well. Electric-assist bikes, being able to ride on sidewalks or dedicated lanes, and safe parking help make it possible.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RLXnCu-KMdY

Re: Berlin's Plan to Become a City for Cyclists

#27

The cities mentioned as being great for cyclists are Copenhagen and Amersterdam, and now Berlin is trying. What is interesting is that the countries these cities are in Denmark, Netherlands, and Germany have fertility rates of 1.7, 1.7, 1.5 births/female [0]. In other words, people aren't having that many children. When transporting children, cars become a whole lot more convenient than bicycles. You don't have to wo…

This is how I plan on transporting my two kids by bicycle when they're a bit older (electric cargo bike): https://yubabikes.com/ Disclaimer: no affiliation/promotion/etc

Try doing the same during the winter in the northeast or central US

Re: Berlin's Plan to Become a City for Cyclists

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how I plan on transporting my two kids by bicycle when they're a bit older (electric cargo bike): https://yubabikes.com/ Disclaimer: no affiliation/promotion/etc

Try doing the same during the winter in the northeast or central US

I live in Chicago and my family and our neighbors transport our children to school/stores/activities via bikes or feet. When the snow gets real bad we switch to sleds.

Anecdotally from observing my kids school I’d say that yuba bike linked is very popular. As are the Dutch bikes with the big front thing for hauling kids.

That of course relies on living in a place with infrastructure that enables it. Which is what Berlin is trying to build...

Re: Berlin's Plan to Become a City for Cyclists

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The cities mentioned as being great for cyclists are Copenhagen and Amersterdam, and now Berlin is trying. What is interesting is that the countries these cities are in Denmark, Netherlands, and Germany have fertility rates of 1.7, 1.7, 1.5 births/female [0]. In other words, people aren't having that many children. When transporting children, cars become a whole lot more convenient than bicycles. You don't have to wo…

I have a 1.5 year old child, and I must disagree. Car-centric places are horrible with a child (or really anyone who isn’t a healthy ~20–65 year old adult who can afford a car). To get anywhere you need to pack all your stuff into a car, get the child in and out of a carseat, unpark and park, walk around in a big parking lot, etc. Every trip has huge overhead. It gets even worse when there are multiple kids involved.…

> It’s going to be an even bigger difference when the kid is older, and can walk around and take transit and engage with the city by himself, instead of being completely isolated and dependent and needing to be chauffeured and chaperoned by an adult on every trip.

This. I don't think most Americans realise how detrimental and significant this often-overlooked aspect of average middle American suburban life is.

Re: Berlin's Plan to Become a City for Cyclists

#30

Well, hopefully by the time this plan is realized Berlin cyclists will have developed things like respect, manners and a basic concept of not being the most important thing on the road. While its true, that car priorization pushes pedestrian‘s quality of life down - the idea that pedestrians aren‘t as pushed by road rage cyclists is wierd. For pedestrians Cars at least are identifiable (via license plates), can be sl…

I can’t speak to Hamburg but I can say that this analysis of Berlin cyclists is completely, even laughably, incorrect.
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