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Re: Do you have a different personality when you speak a different language?

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Here's a bit of my experience to back up how hard it is to separate out the cultural aspect: The English singular 'you' has two words for it in German, 'sie' and 'du'. The first one is used in situations where there is some distance between the speakers, the second when they are (much) more familiar. It used to be fairly unheard of to hear a German 'subordinate' use 'du' to their superior, whereas in English it would…

Korean and Japanese have several levels of deference, which go beyond a simple dual 2nd person pronoun. There are, for example, different 1st person pronouns which are used for self-reference when the listener is of various social ranks, or under different social circumstances. In Japanese, for example, a man will say "watashi" for "I" under formal circumstances, and "ore" while getting a beer with the mates.

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Re: Do you have a different personality when you speak a different language?

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I have an unpublished, unfinished PhD thesis investigating this question. I'm working on getting permission to publish it, but for now I can only give you the summary. The author administered standardised personality tests to people tested as fluently bi-lingual in English and German. Each of the four possibilities was tested. Everyone got both tests, some tested first in English, the others first in German. Each gro…

Here's a bit of my experience to back up how hard it is to separate out the cultural aspect: The English singular 'you' has two words for it in German, 'sie' and 'du'. The first one is used in situations where there is some distance between the speakers, the second when they are (much) more familiar. It used to be fairly unheard of to hear a German 'subordinate' use 'du' to their superior, whereas in English it would…

As it used to be in English: "thou" and "you".

Re: Do you have a different personality when you speak a different language?

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The US is famous for their lawyer epidemic and nutcase lawsuits like McDonalds coffee that is too hot.

I wish people would make themselves familiar with examples before citing them as evidence of vague general claims: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonalds_Restaurant...

Have a TL;DR? Am I supposed to red a 1000 lines Wikipedia article before I comment on anything?

Re: Do you have a different personality when you speak a different language?

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish people would make themselves familiar with examples before citing them as evidence of vague general claims: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonalds_Restaurant...

Have a TL;DR? Am I supposed to red a 1000 lines Wikipedia article before I comment on anything?

Short version: the woman suffered third degree burns over 6% of her body (1% = the size of a handprint) including her crotch, and lesser burns over 16%. She required emergency medical attention, expensive skin grafts, etc. This was not just someone spilling a bit of coffee on their arm and flinching in pain, but instead was a horrific life-threatening injury (I’m somewhat reminded of Rush Limbaugh suggesting that waterboarding is no big deal, similar to a fraternity hazing ritual). A jury made up of people (including self-professed conservative republicans) who initially thought the case was a joke ended up rewarding the woman a big pile of cash, because they felt after hearing all the evidence and four hours of deliberation that McDonalds needed to be seriously punished for what they felt was unacceptable carelessness with customer safety.

Here’s a 1995 Newsweek article: http://www.newsweek.com/1995/03/19/are-lawyers-burning-ameri...

> What happened next on the morning of Feb. 27, 1992, was an accident. "I took the cup and tried to get the top off," she later testified. She looked for a place to set it down, but the dashboard was slanted and there was no cup-holder in the Ford Probe. "Both hands were busy. I couldn't hold it so I put it between my knees and tried to get the top off that way." Liebeck tugged, and scalding coffee gushed into her lap. She screamed. Chris leaped from the car to help her. Desperately, she pulled at her sweat suit, squirming in a bucket seat as the 170-degree coffee seared her skin. By the time they reached an emergency room, second- and third-degree burns had spread across her buttocks, her thighs and her labia. All that she remembers is the pain. [...]

> After the spill, Liebeck spent seven days in an Albuquerque hospital and about three weeks recuperating at home with her daughter Nancy Tiano, then was hospitalized again for skin grafts. She had lost 20 pounds -- down to 83 pounds -- and was practically immobilized. The grafts were almost as painful as the burn, her daughter Judy Allen recalls: "She was in tremendous pain; I didn't know if she'd survive this." In August Liebeck wrote to McDonald's, asking the company to turn down the coffee temperature. She wasn't looking to sue,but the family thought she was entitled to her out-of-pocket expenses -- about $2,000 -- plus the lost wages of her daughter who stayed home with her. According to the family, McDonald's offered $800.

> The case proceeded in the stylized manner of the civil courts: expert witnesses were gathered, settlement offers were made. Just before trial Morgan suggested $300,000, but McDonald's wasn't interested. In August 1994 they went to trial before a jury filled with citizens annoyed at having to listen to a case about spilled coffee. "I was just insulted," recalls Roxanne Bell, 38, a preschool teacher. "The whole thing sounded ridiculous to me." According to several jurors interviewed by Newsweek, three witnesses turned the case around. First there were the photos of Liebeck's charred skin and the testimony of Dr. Charles Baxter, a renowned burn expert from Southwestern Medical School in Dallas. He testified that coffee at 170 degrees would cause second-degree burns within 3.5 seconds of hitting the skin. [...]

> After deliberating for about four hours, the jury found for Liebeck. Her compensatory damages -- out of pocket plus pain and suffering -- were set at $200,000. To be fair, the jurors knocked off 20 percent because she had contributed to the accident. Then they hit McDonald's with a stern warning: $2.7 million in punitive damages. "It was our way of saying, 'Hey, open your eyes. People are getting burned'," recalls juror Bell. A month later, trial Judge Robert H. Scott reduced the award to $640,000, calculating punitive damages at three times compensatory. He, too, wanted to deliver a message to McDonald's that it "was appropriate to punish and deter" its corporate coffee policy. Scott, another self-described conservative Republican, insists the case was "not a runaway. I was there." After further post-trial skirmishing, the two sides settled out of court. Part of their deal includes keeping secret the final amount.

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Re: Do you have a different personality when you speak a different language?

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I live in America and only speak swiss german with my wife. Apparently I talk like a girl when I speak swiss now.

I live in Poland and practise most of my Polish with my girlfriend. This has caused the same effect, with most of my slang being very girly. It's an interesting position to be in...

Re: Do you have a different personality when you speak a different language?

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i grew up speaking german and i live in SF. I call bullshit on TFA, because last time I checked the german speaking area was culturally diverse in the traits mentioned. Repeating stereotypes: people in Vienna don't yell and call bullshit on people (they are more likely to talk behind each other's backs), while people in Berlin yell at each other all the time to resolve conflicts (which seems way more healthy to me).…

I think what the author is pointing out is that people exhibit different traits of their personality when they speak different languages. She didn't say that all Germans yell and therefore she yelled at a cabdriver but that when she spoke German, a different side of her personality emerged.

Re: Do you have a different personality when you speak a different language?

#58
I actually try to get a different personality for every language I speak to realize it's a different thing. It helps not to confuse the languages and not to pronounce the common words in the wrong way. My spanish girlfriend is a bit annoyed when I speak spanish like a maccho when I don't speak in english like that at all.

Re: Do you have a different personality when you speak a different language?

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I think I'm largely myself at my church and with my friends when speaking Japanese, but if it is a business situation, you are meeting a very carefully constructed avatar that sometimes forgets he isn't real.

I am insufficiently skilled at Spanish to be doing anything other than trying to speak Spanish when speaking Spanish.

Re: Do you have a different personality when you speak a different language?

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I have an unpublished, unfinished PhD thesis investigating this question. I'm working on getting permission to publish it, but for now I can only give you the summary. The author administered standardised personality tests to people tested as fluently bi-lingual in English and German. Each of the four possibilities was tested. Everyone got both tests, some tested first in English, the others first in German. Each gro…

I would be very interested in this thesis, is there any way I could get an advance copy? it relates to my start-up, 321speak.com
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