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It doesn't make sense to me to discriminate against people with more experience. Can someone explain it to me? I have heard that companies like recent grads because they are (1) more malleable and (2) can be paid less. But neither of those reasons seem to me strong enough. I'm talking completely about the company's own interests. Let's address the first reason: malleability. A recent grad presumably will adopt the co…
i guess it is time to setup an FB profile where i'm a forever 20smthing with interests in ... what are youngsters these days interested in?
It doesn't make sense to me to discriminate against people with more experience. Can someone explain it to me? I have heard that companies like recent grads because they are (1) more malleable and (2) can be paid less. But neither of those reasons seem to me strong enough. I'm talking completely about the company's own interests. Let's address the first reason: malleability. A recent grad presumably will adopt the co…
It still works this way in tech. When you need someone who knows what the hell they're doing, you're going to consider hiring a consultant, and you're likely going to get one of those same grayhairs.
It doesn't make sense to me to discriminate against people with more experience. Can someone explain it to me? I have heard that companies like recent grads because they are (1) more malleable and (2) can be paid less. But neither of those reasons seem to me strong enough. I'm talking completely about the company's own interests. Let's address the first reason: malleability. A recent grad presumably will adopt the co…
I’ve yet to peer behind the curtains of corporate axings, though. So I don’t know when the lists of employees to fire are drawn up, whether or not the fully-burdened costs (especially medical insurance) are somehow accessible by line managers. The per-employee breakdown of medical costs is definitely available to companies.
I think that is perfectly legal, ethical and acceptable. Those companies pay per impression, so they want to maximize the effect of the ad, and reach as many candidates as possible per each $ they pay FB. This is just an ad. No one can stop you from applying to a job directly with the company, irregardless of your age, or any other demographics. Just another sensational headline.
This form of discrimination is illegal. Do you think Facebook is above the law? The pricing structure does not change the applicability of anti-discrimination laws.
I don't think discriminating during hiring is legal, or should be legal.
All I was saying that delivering hiring ads based on a certain demographic, that will bring you the most potential candidates, is a financially sound decision, as long as the hiring process as a whole is non-discriminating.
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It's a race to the bottom. You could pay more for better work that gets done more slowly (fewer hours as people have families, etc,) or you could pay less for worse work that gets done more quickly. Well, iOS11 needs to ship on its annual schedule, non-negotiable. And the SVP will really complain if I ask for more money this quarter. So, cheap it is. If a bridge falls down, it's really obvious and people die. If bill…
If billions of computers become vulnerable to malicious actors and a few hundred or thousand people suffer dramatic personal damages, well that's a nice and quiet problem which will be quickly forgotten in the 24-hour news cycle. This. I do development coaching and training. I’m totally burned out because my job doesn’t matter. These companies don’t care. They hire me to “increase code quality” but that ends up being…
`Why? These things have real consequences.`
To a business they see software/engineers as a expense. The whole focus as a business is to provide a service that people are will to pay more than it costs to provide said service.
Everything else doesn't matter, what does matter for a business is $$$$$ and making sure business doesn't get sued because bill touched jill with his #####.
For what my words are worth, I do think you need to take a step back and view it from a Business person perspective and attempt to align your goals with theirs. Get out of your cube and go and meet CEO's and CIO and talk to them about their problems and what their goals are. Then see if you two can work together to achieve their goals and bring value to the table.
Even writing this I've could think of 10 or 20 different business discussions you could have.
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People are constantly complaining that Facebook allows you to target ads at certain people. Ads have operated this way since their inception, yet critics are finding new ways to make it seem like Facebook is ruining everything by doing exactly what any sensible person would do if they ran Facebook. I am not a huge fan of Facebook. But I feel like this is the same trope as was hauled out in the "Facebook didn't tell m…
I am not aware of an ad platform that enables you target ads so specifically and in such an effective way. Sure, you could advertise in Maxim to reach heterosexual young males but that doesn't mean your ad is completely invisible to someone else who happens to pickup the magazine. Before Facebook ads were targeted. Facebook ads are exclusionary. While that is valuable and appropriate in some situations it is not in o…
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There may be "reasons", but are they ethical? I'd like an example of such a reason, if you have one.
The only one I can think of is casting a part in a movie. You wouldn't cast Sean Connery to play the part of Mark Zuckerberg in The Social Network, for example. But I believe there is already exceptions in the law for things like films. And churches typically hire a younger person to be a youth minister, as the kids could relate to them better. Again, not sure about the legality of this though.
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Exactly, and job seekers over 40 are a protected class, so this is illegal discrimination.
I'm curious if we have the same vigor over Strip Clubs? They have been operating outside of this law the entire time. Are we supposed to respect this law now, even though everyone in this thread knows its unenforced, unenforceable, and is being broken constantly? I'm supposed to be outraged by the natural evolution of online ads, though. And at Facebook.
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If that older Unix or C++ programmer doesn't have a strong bias against Javascript, functional programming, new es6/es7 concepts, and web appliactions in general, then sure. I see many of these types of people even on HN with biases though. Age shouldn't be used as a catch all filter, but I can see how it might be faster to screen those who have been too content to stick to their tools without catching up to industry…
I presume you wouldn't hire someone who expresses a strong distaste for your software stack, regardless of age (unless their job is specifically to replace it).
They're just biases that haven't a good justification. I usually keep this sort of bias to myself because I recognize it for what it is. Honestly though I wouldn't apply for such positions, either, so the bias problem never surfaces.