Has Zuckerberg retired yet? He's old now. 33 in fact. He should have passed the torch to someone smarter. I guess he got old and dumb and forgot.
Dozens of Companies Are Using Facebook to Exclude Older Workers From Job Ads
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#112It doesn't make sense to me to discriminate against people with more experience. Can someone explain it to me? I have heard that companies like recent grads because they are (1) more malleable and (2) can be paid less. But neither of those reasons seem to me strong enough. I'm talking completely about the company's own interests. Let's address the first reason: malleability. A recent grad presumably will adopt the co…
Well if the technology you're using has only existed for 3 years, 10 at most ... what's the point in hiring a grayhair? As far as you're concerned they have the same amount of experience as a fresh-ish grad, except they're more expensive.
Sure the underlying principles are all the same, but you don't know that if you're not technical yourself.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
People are constantly complaining that Facebook allows you to target ads at certain people. Ads have operated this way since their inception, yet critics are finding new ways to make it seem like Facebook is ruining everything by doing exactly what any sensible person would do if they ran Facebook. I am not a huge fan of Facebook. But I feel like this is the same trope as was hauled out in the "Facebook didn't tell m…
> Ads have operated this way since their inception, The ability for ads to target individuals while being invisible to others is something quite new and pernicious. If you advertise on television, your commercial is seen by everyone watching. If you run an ad in print media, everyone who has a copy can read it. Individually targeted advertising is ripe for abuse. If you're interested in reading more how this is reall…
In the past it was up to the ad buyer to attempt to exclude people based on their wits. I want to use site X because it has these people instead of site Y because it has those people. Totally normal.
Now we are debating on the right to see ads because Facebook has such a powerful platform.
I am all for the debate, what I am not about is acting like this is something other-worldly. The impression based ad, the viewership based ad, and demographics, have worked this way throughout modern history.
Ads have moved from being ostensibly invisible, to literally invisible. That is the line we're drawing?
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#114Super targeted advertising is exactly why Facebook is so valuable. Add that to the fact that their marketing tech is so frictionless (it's my knowledge that you can get your ads up on Facebook relatively quickly w/o interfacing with a human) and you end up with situations like this.
There are a finite amount of ads that can be shown on TV during a week and a finite amount of billboards, bus placements and other types of ads. With Facebook the number of ads on the platform at any given time may be infinite, how are you supposed to add a review process for these ads especially when they are not blatantly illegal / harassing?
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#115It doesn't make sense to me to discriminate against people with more experience. Can someone explain it to me? I have heard that companies like recent grads because they are (1) more malleable and (2) can be paid less. But neither of those reasons seem to me strong enough. I'm talking completely about the company's own interests. Let's address the first reason: malleability. A recent grad presumably will adopt the co…
Can you characterize how you are better? I would say the same about myself, it's not that I can do stuff 10 times faster than I could then, I've just got the experience to avoid things that might seem ok at the time but will cause long term problems. Today I know when I'm over engineering, I know when I'm under engineering, I know the patterns that will make code hard to maintain and I can avoid them, I can avoid technical debt (usually).
The powers that be never see that technical debt, they don't know they're groaning under the weight of it, they don't know it could have been avoided, there was/will be a different set of people deal with it. So why would they pay more to avoid problems they don't know they have?
Unlike other industries, software development never, ever plans for maintenance.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
While at a certain level I can't help but agree with you, I think some self-reflection is in order. It is perfectly legal to discriminate against young people but not against older folks. Those laws were put into place by that generation you reference. Not to mention that the likely reason to target younger employees is because they can be paid less for the same job. That is a manifestation of the ongoing depowering…
How is it legal to discriminate against young people?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_Discrimination_in_Employme...
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#118Laugh while you can monkey boys. That generation built the infrastructure you rely on daily. Way to pay it forward. Suddenly, they too will turn around and realize that they're above 40 and not in the preferred demo. It all comes around in the end. Sometimes the SDN boys need a salty old dog to ask if anyone has actually looked at the back of GigE interface to see if theres a cable actually plugged into it :)
Yeah, that generation gave us all kinds of stuff… http://college.usatoday.com/2016/11/09/how-we-voted-by-age-e...
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#119It doesn't make sense to me to discriminate against people with more experience. Can someone explain it to me? I have heard that companies like recent grads because they are (1) more malleable and (2) can be paid less. But neither of those reasons seem to me strong enough. I'm talking completely about the company's own interests. Let's address the first reason: malleability. A recent grad presumably will adopt the co…
Experienced people of any age who can adapt well to change have no trouble getting a job.
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#120It doesn't make sense to me to discriminate against people with more experience. Can someone explain it to me? I have heard that companies like recent grads because they are (1) more malleable and (2) can be paid less. But neither of those reasons seem to me strong enough. I'm talking completely about the company's own interests. Let's address the first reason: malleability. A recent grad presumably will adopt the co…
It's a race to the bottom. You could pay more for better work that gets done more slowly (fewer hours as people have families, etc,) or you could pay less for worse work that gets done more quickly. Well, iOS11 needs to ship on its annual schedule, non-negotiable. And the SVP will really complain if I ask for more money this quarter. So, cheap it is. If a bridge falls down, it's really obvious and people die. If bill…
It's about producing working code, not about how many hours my butt is in a seat...