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Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by maemilius »

MetallicCloud wrote: post #479
gruturo wrote: post #414

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You're not going to displace Bloomberg - the amount, quality and timeliness of the information they provide is on a completely different level (and a completely different business). You're going to get wads of cash from people eager to consume their Bloomberg data in a better way.

I can assure you, the majority of people who regularly use the Bloomberg terminal are not eager for any change whatsoever to how they consume the data. Any change, no matter how much it improves the workflow or UI is met with bitter resistance, because the users do everything from muscle memory, and small changes break that and slow them down.

I think this might be one place where that rule is broken. I started seriously using VR a while ago and I was blown away by some of the little things that make it 1000% better than a standard screen for some applications.

The most poignant example I have comes from gaming, but I think it illustrates the point. In Elite: Dangerous, some of your menus are to the left and right of your avatar. Normally, you'd have to press buttons to focus the camera on these menus; in VR all I have to do is look at where that menu is and it pops right up for me to use.

It actually made the interface _way_ more intuitive, easier to use, and significantly faster because it played on my expectation of the result. If something similar could be designed on top of Bloomberg data, I think you'd see finance people trampling each other to get it.

This would be particularly true if you played into their existing behaviors and motions; they wouldn't have to learn anything, it would "Just Work".

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by bastawhiz »

tigershark wrote: post #416
bastawhiz wrote: post #190

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The device is supposed to be in the hands of actual paying customers within a year and they don't even have pictures or video of it _doing something_. Sure it might not be perfect, but there's exactly zero evidence that this product isn't just a hollow chassis. If a demo at this point comes off as half baked, isn't that a gigantic red flag that this product isn't able to cash the checks that Magic Leap is writing? Ni…

I guess you didn't follow it at all. Magic leap showed the demo to a lot of people and the Rolling Stones journalist extensively tested it. How can you suggest that it is just a plastic mockup? As for the content there are hundreds of people working on it both in house and in selected partners like Weta.

I explained further here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15971433

It would be trivial to fake the demo. You can buy the parts to stream HD video wirelessly for a few hundred bucks. If they're using a small server farm to render the output, isn't that cheating?

If they can show it to a journalist in a lab, why not make a marketing demo in a park? Like I said, I'll believe it when I see it.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by oceanswave »

excalibur wrote: post #385
wlesieutre wrote: post #363

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Based on Magic Leap's explanation, I'm not so sure it would work for that. > My eyes were seeing two things existing in the same place and had decided that the creation, not the engineer, was the real thing and simply ignored Miller, at least that’s how Abovitz later explained it to me. That sounds to me like some kind of light-field trickery where it puts an object in front of the background using the light field, b…

Furthermore, even if the technology DID somehow manage to trick your brain into not acknowledging the glare, the bright light would still be entering your eyes and causing damage to your retinas. It would be similar to the case of somebody who has nerve damage and doesn't feel pain, so they don't know that their hand is resting on a hot stove until they smell burning flesh.

If only we had technology that, when subjected to an electrical field, turned glass from opaque to translucent and were produced in sufficient quantities for applications such as airplane and building windows as to make this technology relatively inexpensive.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by anigbrowl »

phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

Because more people like to play games than work with abstract information, so that's where the money is. I think your notion that the sale of 3bn laptops means 3bn want to work at all hours is a little naive.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by anigbrowl »

CodeCube wrote: post #460
danso wrote: post #367

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I've never worked at a financial firm but I have a hard time imagining the uptight social culture of finance being one that embraces employees being spotted wearing goofy headsets and waving their hands around. The boost in productivity from any such app would seemingly be negligible, especially when you consider that the popularity of the Bloomberg terminal lies in its chat function: https://www.ft.com/content/5d6c2…

> uptight social culture of finance looooool ... You mean like the men having competitions to see who can hit the urinal from furthest away? or barefoot wrestling on the trading floor? Those are both reputable stories I've had relayed to me about people I've worked with. More like a frat than an uptight environment ;)

Frat-like behavior on trading floors is for members of the rich kids club or those willing to go through the initiation rituals. The lower-level staffers who support the traders are not invited to participate in such japes and are expected to look and act professional, not to be goofy individualists who have just as much fun at work as the traders.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by taytus »

iamleppert wrote: post #455

The naysayers here are funny. There's a fundamental basis for the technology thats rooted in physics and a mathematical model describing how to attain perfect bragg compliance in lightfield displays that has been well documented. But I didn't come here to argue about whether such a thing could exist in the world or not. Let's turn instead to more practical matters. The reason they needed a lot of money is because no…

>However, generally people who have billions to invest on high risk super high tech ideas aren't as stupid as people here would have you believe.

Counterpoint: Theranos.

Never assume investors are smarter than us mere mortals.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by tigershark »

pharrington wrote: post #492
tigershark wrote: post #489

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"I noticed that when I moved or looked around, her eyes tracked mine. The cameras inside the Lightwear was feeding her data so she could maintain eye contact."

Yes. The machines used to render that demo were, in the author's own words, not the full Magic Leap hardware. edit: Also, even if that demo was the advertised Magic Leap hardware, it still only responded to camera movement, and Miller said the demo had capabilities that he refused to actually display.

no, the lightwear that he is using is the miniaturised device. At this point I'm having doubts if you understand English... And it is not only responding to camera movement, it is demonstrating a girl that seems almost real and that is tracked accurately. Plus all the other demos that he had on the actual hardware.

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Post by ch4s3 »

freehunter wrote: post #407
ch4s3 wrote: post #369

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Think of ergonomics though. Can you comfortably read something 5 or 6 feet away that's in 16pt font? Can you find text on a surface that large easily? I'd be willing to guess people can't do that. Otherwise projectors would be more common displays.

You make a great point, no software in the history of ever has had any ability to change the size of the font or to scale the display size. I completely forgot that humans need to hold their heads perfectly still at a perfectly measured distance from their screen in order to function.

If you need giant font and to move around a lot, then what's the point? Do you really want to more a round a ton while trying to type? I still think this is worse than a monitor in almost every way.

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Post by fudged71 »

swalsh wrote: post #165
drcode wrote: post #67

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The thing will need some serious tech in it, there's really no way to make it not look ugly. I think aesthetics are somewhat overrated: If a device is useful, people (including the "cool kids") will use it regardless.

You're just wrong. Aesthetics are crazy important on consumer devices. I'd argue it is THE most important aspect on something you WEAR. People put an awful lot of thought into their clothes, and accessories. Some people don't care, but they're rare. If aesthetics didn't matter there wouldn't be 100 different clothing stores in the mall. When we choose what to wear, we're annoucing to the world who we are. When you we…

I'm still amazed at some people's reaction to AirPods. They are small and sexy, but at the same time very weird to a large part of the population that isn't used to new things.
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